Social Housing Issue

So where do you think the drug dealing / using family will go to?

Even if the courts would let the council evict them (unlikely) - WHERE exactly to you think the family will go?

I know your answer will be "I don't care", but that's missing the point. They have to go somewhere, into some estate. They will not just conveniently all drop dead.

Council housing is pretty much the end of the line for most people. It sucks when nice people get troublesome ones in their estate. But the other option is huge anti-social estates where problem just get worse.

I think you missed the point there. The council are obliged to house this family even if they are drug dealers. From the councils view, moving them doesn't solve the problem they have so what is there to change? The judge will also be aware of that although I think you might be mixing up some legal stuff here. You are also mistaken in the belief that they would be out on their ear in any other situation.

Similar situation happened to me. The flat was raided 3 times. They found something the 3rd time apparently but it was a very small amount. I couldn't kick him out as there were no anti social issues reported. In fairness he wasn't a bother at all. They dropped the charges against him. No legal recourse for me to evict him.

You mention that they raided and drugs were found. What type and quantity is relevant, one spliff could be what happened. The council certainly don't evict everyone that commits a crime.

In my case it actually turned out to be a neighbour that didn't like the tenant claiming they were a drug dealer. There were some visitors calling a lot because the guy was selling his video games.

From a legal point of view, until the individual is found guilty in a court of law, surely the Council's hands are tied?

A horrible position for your daughter to be in though.

Tbh, it sounds relatively minor. What have they actually done to your daughter, or anyone? Having a messy garden and embarrassing her, I get but like have you ever had to live in a 100% social housing estate? This sounds very mild in terms of impact in her actual life.

It's not that nothing can be done, its that there is zero motivation or reason to move them on.

If you worked in the housing section of the local authority and "decided" to do something, you go through what I assume is a metric ton of red tape including getting funding for the cost to evict, you get the solicitors involved, go through the obnoxiously long eviction process in Ireland in our court system, hope to god the judge actually grants the eviction order and finally get the Sheriff out to toss them.

Great work right? Less then a hour later the same tenant is at the door to your office homeless and your obliged to house them and start it all again.

Your daughter should just move, it's the one thing she really has control over.

TBH sounds minor. Main issue is that she's annoyed that she over-paid for the property and the person has an overgrown lawn. I grew up in an area where this was rampant and really impactful, not just one household. My parents neighbour, in the house I grew up in, is still selling drugs openly but the gardaí don't wanna know and tbh they don't hassle us they just buy their drugs and leave. About a third of the houses were full of scum, but we all got on with it as long as they didn't give us hassle. We have a lot of hassle with wild kids, not one or two but dozens and sometimes hundreds, your situation sounds quiet enough.

Tbh it's not really a minor issue. Some people don't want to live in a sh1thole or bring their children up in said sh1thole as they have more pride in themselves.

This person's poor daughter worked hard to buy her house and these useless fcuks just get their extremely subsidised house for nothing only not getting a job and firing out a few kids.

It's disgraceful that normal people have to suck it up that drug dealing scum get housed beside them in this country.

Just to restate, I don't think it's 'okay' just that it's a fairly minor grievance. There are WAYY worse anti social behaviour issues out there. Yes it's terrible that we have to tolerate such things but that's the cost of a country not dealing with it's social issues unfortunately. Just because you could afford a certain house doesn't actually mean that you have more rights. If you were poor and had disruptive neighbours, that would be equally unfortunate.

Honestly I agree with this, things could be much worse than the garden being overgrown, one would have to have lived quite a sheltered life not to realise this.

I also think everyone pointing out that the family is "getting the house for free" is showing what the real issue is here.

I mean come on OP, really, how is this family actively affecting your daughter? Apart from perceived unfairness of the system and unhappiness at how long the grass is and that they deal drugs I can't see how she is affected at all?

I think you need to re-read what I said, you didn't understand it.

Also what makes you think she is beside this family? In fact, we don't even know they are drug dealers.

You haven't said how it actually affects the daughter yet. Outrage aside, there's no actual problem. Her property hasn't been vandalised, her kids haven't been assaulted, her car hasn't been stolen, she's not being kept awake at night by loud parties, etc. How is it actually affecting her?

OP you are getting carried away. Sure, it is unfortunate and unpleasant for your daughter but at the end of the day the Council cannot simply throw a mother and her children out onto the street, no landlord can. And least of all a council who are a housing authority whose duty it is to house those who can otherwise not provide their own housing.

You need to have a little perspective here and take notice of what is realistic and what is an emotion flight of fancy.

If one thing is certain, the Council absolutely will not evict a mother and children onto the street, regardless of what the mother has done. The only way that could be done is with a Court order and that is most unlikely to come about in anything but the most intractable, repeated cases of extreme antisocial behaviour that have not responded to multiple interventions from multiple agencies. The court will have the best interests of the children at the forefront, not the interests of a nearby outraged neighbour.

The best case scenario here is that, if things get bad enough, and they would have to be very very bad, the council could, after enough time with enough pressure from residents and garda intervention, move the family to another social house, at which point the family become the problem of the next group of neighbours.

You can complain to the council housing department alright, get a petition if you want. No need to do so anonymously. The council are not going to go out blabbing that "oh Motivator was complaining about your behaviour...."

And if you want to take it on from the criminal and garda intervention side, there is no anonymity there. If you want make allegations, then the fact is if you want it progressed you need to be prepared to make a statement and give testimony in open court. And if you are not prepared to do that, well, it obviously doesn't bother you to the point where you are willing to make such effots.

I tell you, things could be a lot worse than a young mother doing a bit of drug dealing and a occasional visits from the Gardai. I lived in an estate that was run by a gang and a man was shot stone dead in the street just a few doors away in broad daylight.

Might I ask how this is directly affecting your daughter? Maybe if she kept her nose in her own business it might not bother her so much.

Hence my referring to "the daughter" rather than "your daughter". Again you misunderstand.

You might think so and its a very backwards classist attitude, leftover from the British empire, that is rightfully no longer socially acceptable. You wouldn't say these things without the anonymity of the Internet.

A person's grievance with a troublesome neighbour is no more or less valid depending on their income. If my parents, who unfortunately were porn poor, and did not have access to free education, have a grievance, it's not less valid than a wealthy person's grievance on the same matter.

And again I don't want drug dealing in any neighbourhood. I'm not sure what you mean by "family neighbourhood" ? I'm mearly pointing out that a person having a large income shouldn't and doesn't insulate them from the reality of this country's social problems.

Nope, you say that I was saying drug dealing wasn't a problem, which is no where in my post. So if you didn't misunderstand should I assume you're willfully misrepresenting my point, likely to fuel your false outrage.

You also said I thought you were to OP which I didn't. So if that wasn't a misunderstanding were you just blowing smoke to avoid the actual point I made?

You also, strangely, say you can't explain how the daughter is affected, and then go on to say how the daughter is affected. You've now invented gun crime, scum and antisocial behaviour, none of which was in the original post.

I think you're talking rubbish.

Read your posts again you as good as said drug dealing shoud'nt be a problem and you asked me to explain how this person is affected.

How can I explain to you how this persons daughter is affected when I dont know them - why are you asking me. You should be asking this of the OP.

I can only explain to you how I would feel with drug dealers living a few doors down from my house.

Problem with that is that you might be extremely unhappy with the active interest that provoked and the decisions that followed; they might even decide that the existing policy is better

This is why I would never buy a house in an estate. This is what happens when there is no consequences. Lowlifes who don’t respect the property they are given. If there are drug deals going down and kids are in the house then social services should be removing those kids.

Jaysus

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Its sickening. Half a million on a new house whilst the lazy dregs get them for a pittance. A pittance which the couple who paid half a million slso pay.

The social contract for the PAYE worker is truly broken.

It is normal though its a very common sight. Acceptable? No, it's not acceptable anywhere.