Did the USA play a significantly negative role in events leading to Ukraine invasion?

Shall we ignore the US misleading the media about the state of the war and allegd Ukraine counterattacks? The Russian army is in complete disarray here victory for Ukraine is near !!

Read the main thread in current affairs, it fun read.

The French defense ministry thankfully got a more accurate map of the war, showing the Russian military capture of land in the east and south, the Ukrainian army is in deep trouble and maybe wiped out unless they track an exit route out of there soon. Notice the yellow with no lines that area is encircled thats very bad for Ukraine. Russian forces pushing up from the South forces reach the 3 and 2 spots on the map there cut off.

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/ukraine-point-situation

Again cheerful, why are you pretending to know what you're talking about?

You're clearly just making this all up in your head. Nothing you're saying has any basis in reality. You are simply discounting anything that doesn't support your pal Putin as propaganda and you accept anything he says as gospel truth.

"The Russians are masters at military deception." Lol.

Biden said it was likely Russia would invade, Russia denied it, multiple times. Russia invaded.

The US has never claimed that "victory for Ukraine is near". Again, you live in a bizarre fantasy reality where you just pick random pieces of info (or disinfo) and make up a narrative out of it.

If they can't get a conspiracy out of it, they are more than happy to pretend that world's media is wrong and they know better.

Putin illegally invades a European country based on lies.

Conspiracy community: The US must be to blame for this

The anti-Western fanatics: The US must be equally to blame for this

The concern-trolls: Who cares about the US, I'm just really concerned about Zelensky's past

I don't know tbh. I don't know much about war and certainly haven't read Clausewitz and the likes. I'd consider myself a pacifist if anything. I do think however that anyone thinking they have a somewhat accurate picture from mainstream & social media are kidding themselves. I'm sure the decision makers involved know what's going on to some degree but the general public wouldn't have a chance. AFAIK people on both sides have actually been ordered to spread misinformation. As this is a weapon in a conflict. So anything I read and hear on any channel, I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

There are certain bigger and somewhat undisputed indicators we can draw conclusions from. Like I said the calls from the Ukrainian government for air support for one thing. That one seems a rather desperate and repeated call and the conclusion one can draw from that is that its not looking good there for the Ukrainians. Which would be supported by the Ukrainian army and paramilitaries going into the urban infrastructures. I would think you don't do that unless you have to. Unless out in the open you'd just get picked off.

The allies learnt in WW2 if you bomb a city into rubble you're creating natural fortifications and bunkers. Makes it very hard to dig defenders out of that. A smaller number of defenders can hold a much bigger attacker in those situations. It makes taking a city slow and expensive.

We can see the Russians are forced due to the poor terrain to stay on the roads. There they stickout like a sore thumb and are very vulnerable to ambush from all sides. We have lots of footage of that happening.

Eventually sheer weight of numbers should mean the Russians will grind down the Ukrainians. But it will be at a very high cost in men and equipment. We can see this the way Russia is pulling resources from all over Russia. This is highlighting the age of the Russian equipment and limited resources they have these days.

Giving into bullies does not deter them. History has taught us this. Especially one that makes their own population disappear.

West didn't tie Russia into anything. It's Putin own actions that have caused this. He's picked a fight with his own neighbour. Who cares more for the Ukrainians the ones killing them, or the ones not killing them. Not much grey there.

The thread title has changed. It still makes no sense. Ukraine politically sat on the fence for years. The only thing that pushed them off the fence was Putin. The US basically failed to do that.

The Ukrainians decided for themselves democracy was more important to them than a police state. They should know they been one before.

They were told before the war start the West would not commit any of their own forces to this conflict.

You might night not value democracy or political freedom. But you're able to express that opinion because people fought and died to allow you that freedom. Which is apt considering the time of year.

Ukraine, a democratic country, has decided to fight. Other democratic countries are supporting their decision, and are helping them. The Ukrainians know the brutality of Russian rule and it's apparent they'd rather resist than go back.

You made some very bizarre claims earlier in the thread, you were asked questions which you dodged. Those questions still stand.

What it comes down to is whether you think that the West has isolated and encircled Russia against all agreements and with bad intentions. Or whether it is at least reasonable or plausible for Russia to perceive it that way.

Or not.

I think it's the former.

Whether that justifies what Russia is doing is another question but at least it will give another perspective as to this silly 'Putin has gone mad'. And 'we' are the snow-white bewildered innocent.

Which is right on-topic IMO.

I dont believe war is justified in any context so I don't believe its justified here. But I don't believe Russia is targeting civilians either.

I believe that these are either propaganda stunts or there are Ukrainian military hiding in those facilities or a bit of both.

I can't see any scenario where a Russian army would attack and blow up such facilities for the hell of it. Nobody is that **** mad and sorry I simply don't believe the Russians would be that cruel and mad either.

Hitler did this in those very regions. Extermination and scorched earth tactics. I simply refuse to believe that Russia would do this.