Did the USA play a significantly negative role in events leading to Ukraine invasion?

Ok. Why you believe that these are "propaganda stunts" or that the Ukrainian military are hiding in these places?

Your personal incredulity isn't an argument I'm afraid.

I can easily flip it.

"I personally don't believe that the Ukrainians would kill their own people for the purposes of propaganda and sorry I simply don't believe the Ukrainias would be that cruel and mad."

Do you have any actual evidence that these (many) incidents are all false? Or is it all entirely based on you not believing the Russians would do such a thing?

Asking again, why do you have strong opinions (all of which echo Putin's propaganda by way) on something you seem to know little or nothing about?

Current Russian military doctrine is to surround a city and bombard it into submission, this is what they did in Grozny, it's what they did with Assad's forces in Syria. That includes civilian infrastructure. Over 80% of Mariupol is destroyed. There are thousands trapped with no food/water/utilities because Russia keeps declaring a ceasefire, humanitarian groups move in to help get them out, then Russian starts bombarding again, including the agreed upon humanitarian corridors. Yes it's insane, but that's war.

But you're now saying that the other explanation is that the Ukrainians blew these people up themselves.

That wouldn't make any sense and would be insane.

But as you said, you've no actual evidence that this and other incidents (again, there are a lot of them) are faked. You're simply concluding this based on nothing but your own personal incredulity of a simplisitic view of things.

Russia makes it own citizens disappear. Why would it have qualms about anyone else.

Once you invade a country, once you fire weapons, you are very likely to kill civilian's. Never mind if you target them deliberately.

No but I think some of them may be desperate. Those Azov guys In Maripol can be certain nothing good is coming their way.

I assume when someone starts a war in your country everyone is desperate. Is there some reason you are ignoring all other people caught up in this, the refugees fleeing the war.

Cause Russian propaganda ignores those people and suggests silly things like the Ukrainians killing their own civilians.

Look at a map. The west hasn't encircled Russia. It has vast borders and the west is only a tiny part of that.

Russia wasn't isolated in any aspect until it invaded. Not the other way around.

Russia has been waging hybrid warfare on Ukraine for 8 years. First they illegally annexed territory, then sparked a war in 2014 in S East Ukraine that has resulted in the deaths of thousands of Ukrainians. Russia is sheltering the ex-Ukrainian leader (Moscow's puppet) who had forces open fire on Ukrainian protesters killing over a hundred. He's wanted internationally by at least two countries. When he finally fled, he was discovered to have a mansion, private zoo, a Spanish galleon, fleets of cars, obscene wealth - Moscow has him lined up to reinstall him as leader of Ukraine (once they conquer the country)

Putin has journalists murdered, he poisons opposition with nerve agent, Russian nerve agent (to make no doubts who did it) and then has them jailed on trumped up charges/sent to penal colonies. In Russia, if you hold up a piece of blank paper in Moscow (or any city) you will be promptly arrested and you can be jailed for years. They have criminalized independent journalism. They can seize cash from the accounts of normal Russians. It's quickly gone from an autocracy to a totalitarian state. That's Putin with his own people, imagine how he will be against a people he hates. The vitriol he uses against the Ukrainians is chilling stuff, labelling them Nazi's and fascists. He has much worse in store for them.

Hence the Ukrainians are fighting. They don't want to live in a Russian puppet state, lose their democracy, lose their freedoms, have their families and friends disappeared in the night by the FSB, have their children forced to learn in Russian only (already happening in occupied territory)

Of course, Putin's propaganda is that the West is behind this, it's behind everyone he's had murdered or poisoned, it's behind the Ukrainians wanting to exist as a democratic country, is the cause of Russia "having" to invade Ukraine - precisely the same stuff you are parroting here.

So please continue..

Sorry mate, but you did. You called it a "propaganda stunt."

What does this mean if you didn't mean they killed their own people?

Could you answer my other questions as well.

The evidence that Russians are targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure (after they very specifically said they wouldn't) is in the evidence

You claim it isn't happening because you "can't believe it". Whether or not you believe something has no bearing whatsoever.

You seem to be very high on preconceived notions of all this and very low on actual fact.

A lot of red flags here, look at the first posts, e.g. weird insinuations that "Western manufacturers" were threatening Putin's Russia with no evidence.

I think someone here has either been on conspiracy sites or has been swallowing Kremlin koolaid on Youtube

Indeed, countries freely choosing to join a defensive alliance against an aggressive power is not "encirclement".

Russia has attacked Georgia, threatened neighbours, Russian helicopters have "onwards to Berlin" written on them, Russian state TV hosts regularly talk about invading other European countries and launching nukes. Now they have invaded Ukraine.

As a natural consequence countries want to join NATO.

And dramatic exit number one...

Sorry mate, but our points are on topic.

The fact you are desperate to run away from them is also relevant.

You claimed that all the Russian attacks on civilians were either fake or justified.

Don't be a coward. Back up this stance.

We don't think you can. You claimed it because your worldview is completely naive and ignorant and now you're trying to run away.