Mens Rights Thread
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I only skimmed this pay-walled article but saw no mention of the fact that the gender pay gap might not be due to discrimination.
Modern Morals: My fellow female colleagues want pay transparency but I think I get paid more than them
‘Should I disclose my salary?’
She’s clearly aware of the gender pay gap in Ireland, which currently stands at around 14pc, and the Gender Pay Gap Information Act 2021, which will require employers to disclose the pay gap between male and female employees in their organisation.
This legislation is a sign of progress
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“The group should request that their employer shares information on any gender pay gap, how it happened and what the company plans to do to address it. If this is a large company, as the reader suggests, they will soon need to share this information anyway.”
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Varadkar on M Healy-Rae’s “fairies” comment in Dáil yesterday: “All of us from time to time say things that might be racist, homophobic, misogynistic or misandrist… we should call it out… I’m not losing sleep over it”
Is he calling it homophobic? “I’ve said what I’ve said.”
Good to see if “misogynistic” is being used, “misandrist” is also mentioned.
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In my company I was looking at what mentorship programs exist. I'm relatively senior but think I would benefit from a mentor. There are several mentorship programs but when I looked into them, the program is organised by women, for women. There is no such program open to all which is very disappointing to me.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is great that women are being encouraged to develop their career. I have a wife and daughter and think we have come on a long way in recent times and I myself have acted as a mentor as part of a women in leadership initiative. That said, when I see initiatives that I'm genuinely interested in and believe I would benefit from, being closed off to me then it does leave a bit of a sour taste.
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I wouldn’t be thinking fair play to Leo for calling out “misogyny” and all the rest of it ip tbh, it’s an example of the absolute worst of identity politics and trying to play the victim, and I’d say Leo WAS actually spending sleepless nights awake dreaming up ways he could work that soundbite into his speeches.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40834928.html
Absolute pits behaviour tbh, as little time and all as I have for Healy-Rae, but he wasn’t making anything out about Leo being gay, it was Leo was making something out of nothing when he’d no other smarmy comeback. His spats with Mary-Lou are some of his best throwing shade, the pair of them swapping exchanges like little bitches hoping to go viral on twitter. They all know what they’re at 🙄
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OK. However what I said was
“Good to see if “misogynistic” is being used, “misandrist” is also mentioned.”
What Leo Varadkar was referring to was allegedly homophobic so fit in neither of these categories.
My point was a general one that people in prominent positions very rarely if ever highlight that people can be misandrist or call people out for being misandrist in comparison to how often the term misogynist is used. Certainly people can be incorrectly called out for either which is annoying also.
Lots of people wouldn’t even know the term misandrist but would know the term misogynist.
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Proposed reviews into domestic violence killings to examine if ‘red flags’ were missed
Draft of gender-based violence plan commits to update school curriculum on consent
Reviews are to be carried out into future cases where women are killed by their partners, or in family murder-suicides, to examine if State agencies missed previous red flags, as part of a plan to tackle gender-based violence.
Why not also when men are killed by their partners?
The plan supports the introduction of domestic homicide reviews, which would happen in cases where a woman was killed by her partner or ex-partner, or where a family member kills their partner and children.
The latter part of this suggests it might be gender neutral, but they avoid explicitly mentioning the scenario that a man can be killed by his partner.
ETA:
Actually, rereading it, the second scenario only seems to apply when somebody kills both their partner and children so it could be the case that a woman killing her partner (but no children) would be excluded. Very disappointing if that is the case.
The plan states that a national campaign on sexual consent will be rolled out, as well as one to educate boys and men about how pornography “fuels misogyny and undermines gender equality”.
No mention of dealing with things that might lead to misandry or undermine gender equality towards men and/or boys.
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Human trials to begin on new male birth control pill with 99% efficacy, study shows
Researchers found a male birth control pill was 99 per cent effective in preventing pregnancy and dramatically reduced sperm counts without any observable side effects, in early testing on male mice.
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In the furore over Will Smith slapping Chris Rock, the big question is why is it still OK to mock how a woman looks?
I'm not a big fan of mocking people due to how they look* but it's hardly the case that only women are mocked for how they look.
*well, mainly over things they have no influence on; mocking over "fashion statements" isn't as bad.
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Boys and body image: ‘They just don’t talk about it. But it doesn’t mean they’re not feeling these concerns’
Bombarded with images of muscled and toned bodies, boys grow up with distorted notions of the male bodily ideal, often leading to eating disorders. Professor and author Charlotte Markey explains what we can do to help boys challenge this image
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The earnings gap between men and women continues to grow years after they have graduated, to €125 per week after 10 years.
A report has found that men and women graduates from 2010 earned similar amounts in the first five years after graduation.
However, after 10 years, male graduates earned €1,040 per week compared to €915 for female graduates, a difference of €125 .
10 years after graduating, many women will have had at least one and not infrequently more than one child.
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10 years after graduating, many men too will have had at least one, and not infrequently, more than one child. I don't think your intention was to relegate the importance of fathers roles in their children's lives to the status of a mere sperm donor, but that's the effect of what you're arguing as an explanation for the discrepancy in earnings between men and women. In reality of course, beyond the gender wars, both men and women become parents at a similar age - 30 (up 3 years from 27, the average age 10 years ago). The discrepancy in earnings in employment is a tad more complex than can so easily be explained away by pregnancy and motherhood, or fatherhood for that matter - I'm sure you can think of areas where your idea of emphasising thhe importance of motherhood, overlooking the significance of fatherhood, might have a negative impact on decisions which affect fathers and their children...
There are a couple of different factors influencing the discrepancy in earnings between men and women, but the most influential factor is that men spend more time on what are called 'promotable tasks', whereas women spend more time on what are called 'non-promotable' tasks. On that basis it stands to reason that men are more likely to be promoted than women, coupled with the fact that men are more confident in putting themselves forward for promotion than women. It's not because they're men (or fathers for that matter, who out-earn men who are not fathers!), and it's not because they are women, but it's because of the different roles and responsibilities and tasks they take on, leads to opportunities for promotion based upon performance, which is a more valuable and tangible metric for organisations, than any idealistic notions about diversity.
MEN 40 PERCENT MORE LIKELY THAN WOMEN TO BE PROMOTED IN MANAGEMENT ROLES - Engage Employee
Why men get more promotions than women | theHRD (thehrdirector.com)
The Real Reason Your Male Colleagues Get Promoted Faster And How To Fix It (forbes.com)
Women in IT More Likely To Be Promoted Than Men, Study Finds | News & Events (rpi.edu)
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Yes, my single sentence certainly didn't fully explain my reasoning.
One thing to keep in mind is this is an earnings gap, so if women on average decreased the hours that they worked (with some working similar hours and some with reduced hours) while men did not reduce their hours (or even increased them a bit), that alone could explain an earnings gap at 10 years that didn't exist at five years.
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It really wouldn’t though, not least because of the fact that the article constantly refers to graduates, without mentioning what the graduates actually studied, or the fields of employment they pursued after graduation. But we can look at the data which explains why the discrepancy of €125 exists between men and women graduates, based upon their course choices, and their career choices after graduation -
Earnings gap between male and female graduates grows over time
Figure 4.2 shows median weekly earnings for 2010 graduates one to ten years after graduation for male and female graduates. Median earnings among all graduates increased from €425 per week in the first year after graduation, to €660 per week after five years and to €960 after ten years.
In the first five years after graduation, median weekly earnings for 2010 graduates remained broadly similar between male and female graduates. Five years after graduation, male graduates earned €15 per week more than female graduates. However, after ten years this difference increases to €125, with male graduates earning €1,040 per week compared to €915 for female graduates.
'Education' and 'Health & Welfare' graduates have the highest earnings in first year after graduation
ICT graduates receive highest earnings ten years after graduation
Female graduates more likely to work in 'Education' and 'Health & Social Work'
There are notable differences for 2019 graduates in the distributions of male and female graduates across the various NACE sectors in the first year after graduation.
For women that graduated in 2019, the most popular NACE sector in the first year after graduation was 'Health & Social Work'. Five times the number of women worked in this sector compared to men, with 2,900 female graduates employed in 'Health & Social Work' compared to just 600 male graduates. There were also twice the number of women employed in the 'Education' sector compared to men, with 2,400 female graduates working in this sector compared to 1,100 male graduates.
Sectors in which there were more male graduates employed than females include 'Finance & Real Estate', 'Industry', 'Professional, Scientific & Technical Activities', 'Information & Communication' and 'Construction'.
The difference in distributions of male and female graduates across the various NACE sectors is a clear reflection of the preferred fields of study for male and female graduates, which are outlined in the Chapter on Background Statistics. For example, 30% of female graduates from 2019 had studied either 'Education' or 'Health & Welfare'. On the other hand, these fields of study accounted for only 10% of male graduates in 2019. Together, these reflect the differing employment rates for male and female graduates working in the 'Education' and 'Health & Social Work' NACE sectors.
Nowt to do with career breaks (even involuntary breaks in employment affect both men and women equally in terms of their opportunities to get back into employment), or working part-time or working reduced hours or longer hours. It’s simply that men and women gravitate towards different career opportunities and make career choices that suit themselves and their families.
Obviously an aim of Government is to achieve full employment in the labour market, but whatever way they try to introduce measures to force women into the labour market by way of trying to convince them it’s for their own good, generally speaking those ideals only appeal to a tiny minority of a certain type of feminist, who are hell bent on notions of gender equality, with no regard for the fact that in families, parents aren’t competing with each other in employment - they decide what works best for them and their children as a family, regardless of idealistic notions about gender equality.
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Generally agree. Though I’m not sure we know for definite there are no changes in hours worked for men and women between 5 and 10 years after graduation? But as you say the difference in weekly earnings could be mostly or all due to differences in fields of employment and the like.
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A little over 18 months ago, Longford-based solicitors Fiona Baxter and Breege Mimnagh formed the country’s first almost exclusively female law firm specialising in criminal defence.
Baxter Mimnagh Solicitors, which also specialises in medical negligence cases, has already doubled in size since opening its doors in October 2020.
The firm has a staff of nine – four solicitors, three legal executives and a head of accounts, all of whom are women. The ninth member of staff is the only male, a trainee lawyer.
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“From early on in my career, when I first met Breege while working in the same courts, she taught me that the most effective approach when dealing with a male client who is agitated and in your face is to use female logic to dial down the situation.
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“As a mother with a family, you can see the two sides of the case. Your personal experience colours everything you do and the feminine touch brings that extra degree of empathy.
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“It isn’t really an accident that we are an almost exclusive female practice: we all work better together, which is in the best interests of the clients,” Ms Mimnagh says.
I wonder whether somebody in a senior position of a mostly male practice would get a soft interview like this.
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Just looking through my LinkedIn feed and this was part one of the top items in my feed with 3800 reactions.
#redundancy #redundant #womeninbusiness #womenentrepreneurs #womenatwork #womenbusinessowners #womenentrepreneur #womanownedbusiness #womanentrepreneur #womanceo #womanbusinessowner
I think if a man had a similar list of hashtags or even one involving man/men he’d get a lot of negative comments.
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Listening to BBC Radio One earlier on a show presented by Jordan North and Jordan was describing going away on holidays with his parents at some stage and how his mum would complain about people claiming sun loungers and get her husband to challenge people who had done it. He wouldn’t want to do it and she’d say “call yourself a man, do you?”. It’s maybe something that should be taught to boys, how they should respond to such tactics.
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Fight a bit of old school with some old school
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‘I’m the only man at parent and toddler groups. Mothers can be odd about it’
Two fathers discuss what they enjoy most about their role as stay-at-home dads
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“I enjoy their company and find them fascinating – the only thing which can be a bit strange is that I’m always the only man at the playground or parent and toddler groups. Some of the mothers can be very odd about it and while most are fine and will at least say hello, there is always one or two, who nearly clutch their children to them as if they think I’m going to do something.
“This makes me sad and angry – I’m a father with my kids and have as much right to be there as they do. I know there aren’t as many dads looking after their children as there are mothers – but those of us who are, shouldn’t be made to feel unwelcome. People need to realise that dads love their kids too and the days of them just being the bread winner are long gone.”
‘Fathers can feel out of place in creches or playgroups’
Child psychologist, Peadar Maxwell agrees and says while the number of fathers in full-time care roles is still quite low and many may feel outnumbered and out of place in female-centric environments, it is important to try and overcome any feelings of awkwardness as their children will
benefit from their involvement.
“Fathers can feel out of place in creches or playgroups but I would advise them to try to get used to those environments and would ask others in those settings to make an effort to be inclusive and welcoming to fathers trying to figure a new parenting role,” he says.
“It is very healthy for children to see their parents embrace some fluidity in their roles and fathers are very capable at fulfilling the emotional and care needs of their children; if they make an effort and if the other parent encourages their partners.
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Popular thread on Twitter and some replies:
The most awkward situation in urology occurs when a patient who is a few years post vasectomy comes in requesting a repeat semen analysis because their partner just got pregnant & the SA shows zero sperm & the patient is like, "wow I guess the child is a miracle." 😬😵💫
One of the most awkward moments in Pediatrics is when you discuss jaundice and ABO incompatibility with a newborn’s parents, and discover that both parents have the same blood type.
https://twitter.com/danielledunetz/status/1532879163119509504?s=21&t=oWV2wpFXAb_VtlrxEuNucw
This is why my biology prof in college stopped doing blood typing in class. Too many questions.
https://twitter.com/outragedinks/status/1532884480205238273?s=21&t=oWV2wpFXAb_VtlrxEuNucw
Maternity is a matter of fact, paternity is a matter of faith
A forensic dentist working on 9/11 remains said this happened, too, in the early days of establishing protocols for organ donor screening of family members. So, to identify DNA of victims of 9/11, only matrilineal DNA was used. Avoided embarrassing revelations.
https://twitter.com/lauraminer100/status/1532869933222207488?s=21&t=oWV2wpFXAb_VtlrxEuNucw
As we say in our neighborhood: Mommy's baby, Daddy's maybe.
https://twitter.com/auntyalias/status/1532890937038213120?s=21&t=oWV2wpFXAb_VtlrxEuNucw
In my high school biology class we did a simple test to find out our blood type.
That is no longer done because too many children had blood types that could not have come from their biological parents and that led to parental drama and even violence.
True story.
Not nearly as awkward as being required by law to withhold the information that the child is not biologically his, yet he'll be financially responsible for the child for a minimum of 18 years.
https://twitter.com/rationalmale/status/1533098365054947328?s=21&t=oWV2wpFXAb_VtlrxEuNucw
Huge thread so plenty of other tweets on the subject.
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As a Doc who delivered babies for 25 years, I was always vague about blood type discrepancies. My motto was always that the man at the delivery is the Daddy. 😊
yeah, my dad is a retired genetic counselor. He often worked with families where it was impossible for the dad to be the father. awkward indeed.
https://twitter.com/rsneedphd/status/1532901431757398017?s=21&t=yf3HNQVeWNsR9WlVuza7bw
My teacher friend had to stop doing blood typing in class because more than once a kid could not have the blood type they had with their presumed parents’ blood types.
I vote we go back to doing them because if they're old enough to be conducting blood exams they should know if they aren't bio related to their parents!!!
https://twitter.com/radicalvenus/status/1533111433809887234?s=21&t=yf3HNQVeWNsR9WlVuza7bw
My kid is working on genetics. Just did a test on mom dad and kid. Results came back dad is not the dad. Doc said I'll just say that the dad's sample couldn't be run for some reason
https://twitter.com/biervicki/status/1532900087550169093?s=21&t=yf3HNQVeWNsR9WlVuza7bw
I’m a psychiatrist and I’m here to say the direct approach is probably best for most patients. “It’s most likely that you did not father this baby,” and leave it at that. You don’t have to convince them of this but you should say it at least once, clearly and concisely.
https://twitter.com/portorhinosaur/status/1533071007426039808?s=21&t=yf3HNQVeWNsR9WlVuza7bw
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Might have posted this before but when my firs son was born my wife suffered complications, she's fine , and so I was always a very active father; bribgbing the kid to doctors and generally having him hanging out of me 24/7.
One day I was doing the shopping in Dunnes and smelled a nappy change was in order. Went up to the toilet block expecting the usual disabled/baby changing toiled and finding nothing of the sort. I went down to the customer service desk and enquired for the baby changing areas location. "It's in the ladies toilets "
I changed him in the back of my Jeep after telling them they were treating me unfairly due to my gender.
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Modern Morals: I’ve kept a ‘runaway fund’ secret from my husband. Should I give it up for life-saving treatment for his sister?
Should I tell him about it and help out?
I can't remember the specific details but I recall it being suggested that men shouldn't have a fund like this.
Yet in this article all sorts of good reasons are given why it is acceptable for a woman to have one.
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The State’s human rights watchdog has again accused An Garda Síochána of engaging in racial profiling.
The latest claims by the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (IHREC) were made in a report recently submitted to a UN committee.
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It contains over 100 recommendations and raised concerns over many issues.
These include “the ongoing failure of the State to take full accountability for Ireland’s long and dark history of institutional abuse, the continuing and widespread discrimination faced by Travellers, [and] ongoing deficiencies in the State’s response to gender- based violence”.
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IHREC also recommended the extension of gender quotas for elections, to ensure at least 40pc of election candidates are women, and measures to support the political participation of under-represented groups.
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Women seem to be their own worst enemies when it comes to closing gender pay gap
Lower salary expectations and poor negotiating skills, even among students, mean women are accepting gender pay disparity as a given
Though men perhaps have lower expectations of the working conditions they may have e.g. the expectation that they might have to work long hours, work in a dangerous and/or dirty environment, etc.
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Gender pay gap reporting is coming into effect. Here’s what you need to know
Landmark legislation requires companies with more than 250 employees to choose a ‘snapshot’ date this June and prepare a report on their gender pay gap data
Sponsored by Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
An Post has taken a number of actions on foot of the data. These include the introduction of software to eliminate gender bias in job descriptions and working towards having gender-balanced shortlists for senior management roles.
Eleanor Nash of An Post: ‘You have to be fully committed to the bigger picture and to dealing with more difficult issues and full transparency around those issues’
The organisation also introduced skills training for all employees preparing for interviews internally. And it has launched Aspire, its female talent acceleration programme to support women across the business in career planning and network building.
“This builds confidence and helps women further their careers,” says Nash. “We also launched our internal mentoring programme for female managers to support them as they continue their career at An Post. These initiatives are now business as usual for us and we are focusing on building better representation of females in postal operative roles across the country.”
So a scheme by a company helping only women is being held as being good. And I wouldn't be surprised if there is some "positive" discrimination.
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Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags/items I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)
I also threw in some other posts as I didn't want to post too frequently.
#DomesticViolence
#nowomanleftbehind
#SaveWomensSports
#MuslimWomensDay·
March 27 marks #MuslimWomensDay
#NotOurCrimes
Telegraph Life
Spain is to become the first Western country offering 'menstrual leave'
#MenToo
#AbuseHasNoGender
On Father's Day no less:
Platform by Metro.co.uk
Neither my wife or I have relationships with our dads - so when we married we took our mums' names
#HeForShe
Didn't trend but I thought I would mention:
Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/bpfinews/status/1489493928411869185?s=21
Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/theeconomist/status/1499715657910435846?s=11
#ReadIrishWomenChallenge22 (this may have trended?)
Twitter ad:
#OUTBELIEVE
Sky are a proud partner & supporter of our Women's National Team
Promoted by Sky Ireland
Women-only initiative:
The Loyola Institute TCD has announced the details of two scholarships for women interested in studying theology.
https://www.jesuit.ie/news/scholarships-for-women/
International Day of Girls and Women in Science
Groups for men and women I came across:
The Defence Forces Women’s Network
Irish Women Lawyers’ Association (IWLA)
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Didn't trend but I thought I would mention:
‘There is an awful lot more we can do to make the RNLI more welcoming for women’
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look at this artical about teaching about domestic violence in schools
only mention of men and its on the prevention side ,
“We all have a role to play here in the delivery of policy and services and the direction that we can provide, but it’s each and every one of us: each individual, each man, each woman, making sure that we play our part.
then out withe the men bad women victims speech again
Speaking at the launch, the Taoiseach said that misogyny has “no place” in Irish society.
“We all have to be clear with each other, that there’s simply no place in society for misogyny,” adding that there are plans to double the amount of women’s refuge spaces around the country.
so no plans to help men at all
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Online abuse: ‘I was waking up every day to malicious messages from men’
Talented women didn’t run as election candidates for fear of being subjected to ‘toxic’ abuse
Only talks about female politicians being victims.
Here's information I once saved:
A significant body of research shows that male politicians receive more abuse than women
https://epjdatascience.springeropen.com/articles/10.1140/epjds/s13688-020-00236-9
https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/145982/1/1904.11230v1.pdf
While the abuse is different in nature it’s no less pointed or vile- surprisingly, the impact is often greater on men.
We’ve seen this in the protests outside (male)politicians homes. Protests that certain media commentators have sought to shamefully justify. The author of this piece had the opportunity to shine a light on a very real problem, instead they decided to dive into an identity politics sewer. Once again the IT manages to shoot itself in the foot in chasing clicks
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