How did Toyota complete lose the EV market?

They must have an idea of what they are at being the best selling car brand in the country year on year and the worlds largest auto maker by a good margin so they are probably not too worried.

There's a real opinion out there now for some reason that everybody should have or at least be aspiring to an EV. I dont think it's correct, personally.

How do you figure that out?

Is there a global ban on hybrids coming up in 2030?

This is it but no manufacturer is going to change it's 10 year plan for Ireland, they'll just pull out if they cannot deliver a product that suits our government.

We are a miniscule amount of any manufacturers global operation.

Well, Honda certainly are heavily invested in Hydrogen for cars too, could just be the Japanese market but doubt it.

I think the hybrid concept is a good one and would really suit all the EV-mentallists.

If 90% of average Irish drivers drivers commutes are less than 30kms or whatever the statistic is, then do it on electricity, then you still have a petrol engine if you want to go somewhere far away.

The problem is that from a financial stand point they dont make sense. You'd never save back the extra expense of the hybrid over an ICE only model in fuel savings and that is as good a proof as any that nobody really cares about the environment.

I'd love to see the long term breakdown of something like a pure ice yaris (do they even make them anymore?) Vs a hybrid RAV4 on which is better environmentally and cost wise. Surely the hybrid is worse?

Yeah I get that not a lot of people genuinely care that much, but I'd like to hope people have a bit of common sense when realising that having clean air and water is nice! And sure these days carbon is money anyway!

Cost wise EV vs hybrid is laughable, right now the nissan app is telling me I'm getting 100km per €1.73. Today that would buy about 950ml of petrol (even less diesel)😆 the hybrid would need to be doing 300mpg to be comparable. And I commute 640km per week.

The uncle just got a 221 Yaris, cool little thing and absolutely packed with buttons he won’t press.

Was heartbreaking to fire it up and hear the same Daihatsu sewing machine 1.0 engine under the bonnet as they had in the 2005 Aygo.

Having started off in a Mitsubishi Mirage back in the day I always found that incredibly annoying myself. Much prefer it on the left.

I am left-handed though. I've never driven a LHD car but I imagine the gear selector on the right will be even more annoying if the day ever comes or god forbid, one of those awful stalk options the yanks use!

Lol, must be the best option if doing small miles.

VW seemed to be able to knock out the ID3 and ID4 without huge difficulty before the global supply chain issues. They haven't exactly being doing EVs for very long but have been around for a while.

Big companies can and do fail as do small and medium size companies. At this stage it is more wishful thinking or fanciful speculation that Toyota will fail than objective evidence pointing in that direction.

true, other major car manufactures do seem to be dealing with the changeover far better, but it can be extremely difficult to change such large organizations, due to its complexities, i dont expect toyota to fall into oblivion, they just seem to be very late to the game, theyll probably pull it together at some stage, but you d have to wonder, how well will they be able to secure supplies for critical minerals such as lithium etc

the other thing is quality and reliability. Anyone who's ever bought a new phone/laptop/PC etc, knows how infuriating they can be when only a little old and they get 'buggy'. An EV is that to the power of N.

Toyota aren't stupid - let the rest of the world debug it, and they'll keep their toe in the water in Hybrid - and if a Which survey recently put their Hybrids as the most reliable car type, bar none, on the market. Ahead of all ICE and EV. In fact, EV scored particularly poorly and Tesla in particular: and it's almost all down to software.

The step Hybrid-EV is smaller than ICE-EV, so they won't be far away or behind, for long..............

It's almost like VW had some existential crisis that meant it couldn't keep going the diesel route. At least the electric models aren't suffering any major glitches forcing dealers to buy back the cars.

Toyota to its credit when it pulled the plug on its 3 cylinder 1.5l diesel unit it had pretty much finished developing because they said it couldn't be made reliable or pass emissions tests with the upcoming emissions regs. It's almost like they'd have to cheat to keep the engines passing tests.

It's Toyota lads, they sell an absolute arse load of cars in developing countries where pure EV infrastructure just does not exist. Older stripped out versions of Corollas and light commercials are their bread and butter.

When the time comes for a 100% EV model range, Toyota will be absolutely graaaaaaaand. They'll probably just buy Tesla.