What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

I mean it's not really Jenny and her 7 kids in Clondalkin, it's people who are working day in and day out and paying taxes getting fecked here.

Between rent or buying a house, bills increasing, creche costs if you have kids, hospital waiting lists (even if you have health insurance at this stage), lack of GPs, lack of school places, lack of public transport etc. There isn't enough resources for our existing population here with the taxes we pay (a lot of this is down to serious mismanagement by the government of course). Adding 200k extra people isn't just fecking the people who don't want to work in this country, it fecks everyone unless you're well off.

I also think it's naive to think these people will go home. Some will but this will drag on and Ukraine will need to be rebuilt, a lot of them will be better off on welfare here than they are going home and trying to rebuild things. This isn't some short term pain and we move on. This is going to hurt people here for a long time.

Absolutely. Our hospitals and nursing homes and health centres would fall apart without migrant workers. They contribute hugely and are not a burden

How will they be better off on welfare here when you’ve already argued that according to you at least, we don’t have the resources to support everyone? We do btw, it’s simply a fact that those resources are being managed irresponsibly by our own in favour of themselves.

Don’t make me pull out the CSO figures again, but there is a considerable difference between how people manage their own resources, and how Government manages the States resources. Government are not responsible for people wishing to have it all and incurring enormous personal debt.

Asylum seekers, refugees, immigrants, and Irish people on the lowest rungs of the socioeconomic ladder, are not responsible for the people in the middle classes aspirations of a higher standard of living for themselves.

It really would be naive to think anyone owes anyone else a dig out, people do it for their own personal reasons, generally for charitable purposes with no expectation of a return on their investment in other people.

Sorry, 590 was the scan price not the machine…. :)

Still manually trawling?

Great to see that this lady is finding her feet. This still doesn’t address the concerns about a potential 200K population increase. Still advocating for no upper bound?

I mean 200 a week along with other welfare and some form of accommodation Vs going back to a destroyed country. I can easily see why they'd stay even if life here is crap. I also really disagree we have the resources to support everyone (even if it was managed perfectly).

Also if you're saying asylum seekers, refugees, people on lowest rungs of socioeconomic classes have no responsibility to middle class, then why do middle class have responsibility for them. Should just be told go on the own like we are at that point and not given very generous welfare supports.

'Bringing refugees to Ireland makes little practical sense, because everything costs more here.'

Unless of course, it's not all really about helping refugees....

I know that’s what you meant, and it still makes no sense whatsoever as they wouldn’t be here were their homes not being destroyed. They’re making the best of what is for them a bad situation. While they’re here, they will face accusations that they’re only here to take advantage of our generous welfare, which for a single person you’re right, I think it’s about €200 a week, but they’re also bringing their children, and they are as you point out, entitled to apply for the same supports as anyone else in their position who is Irish.

The idea is that you’re blaming people who are already in dire circumstances, for making your life harder in that you could afford a decent standard of living if they were denied any standard of living. Some countries work like that, Ireland doesn’t, and it never has, and lucky for you and yours it never will, whatever about the idea that people who are not as fortunate as you have any responsibility to see that you have a standard of living equitable to the people who are in a social class above you again, to their own detriment.

How do you possibly see that working, other than widening a wealth gap which has only been getting wider in the last few decades? What you’re insisting should happen, has been happening for decades, and that’s why you’re in the position you’re in, whereas if we had truly gone all-in on your idea, you’d be among the people who you’re now claiming are responsible for your not having a better standard of living.

Ireland has more than enough resources to cater for itself with many of the middle class also receiving some form of welfare support from the State, multiples of what they will ever contribute to the State in financial terms over the course of their lifetimes. It’s a feature of a functional economy, not a bug, as opposed to the unintended consequences of how you’re suggesting the State should expend more of it’s resources enabling you to have a better standard of living, at the expense of everyone in Irish society, having a better standard of living.

Do you know.., ‘most middle class people’ ? Or is their a resource where I can check that out ? Thanks.

interesting to know you believe those without said insurance should not be factored in to receive the help they need and contribute to pay for :) but I’m not surprised…

you are the one that said…

“Most 'middle class' people have private medical insurance..

I don’t think it has anything to do with being left or right or whatever else. It’s just that your claims don’t stand up to any kind of scrutiny.

That’s why I don’t accept your argument, not because I’m afraid of being seen as racist, or because I’m afraid of your characterisation of anyone who doesn’t share your opinions as a lefty. It’s just because, well, your claims are nonsense.

We actually do have the infrastructure, and we have the services, as has been admirably demonstrated already, indeed the fact that we were able to do what we’ve done is testament to the fact of what it is possible to achieve when people really want to achieve something.

Actual real evidence that flies in the face of your claims.