Why is the Irish Labour party such a failure ?

Trouble is where's that next crop is coming from? The Greens recovered after 2011 because they still had no rival ecology-like party for their vote to migrate to, whereas Labour is competing with the SDs and to a lesser extent the PBP/AAA lot.

Think I gave Jo Costello 3rd or 4th preference back in 2020 but at the time my feeling was "why are you still around?"..

I'd say Marie Sherlock will be on the ballot next time

Could you give any examples of sexist or misandrist statements from her please? Preferably something that hasn’t been debunked in previous discussions here on this topic,

If you heard the Sarah McInerney interview, you’ll realise how very far from reality your suggestion that RTE will handle her with kid gloves is.

I’m not sure she’s the best choice for Labour, but if your going to have a go, at least keep it vaguely real.

You were the one asked the question, "put your own work in" is an admission of failure to be able to answer it.

She wants legally binding gender quotas… https://www.ivanabacik.com/latest/women-on-boards-legally-binding-quotas-needed/

so she would advocate that the law as relates to equality and giving everyone a fair and equal opportunity should be ditched in favour of choosing people based on gender… discrimination based on gender..

that is a reason that Labour, who I have voted for previously, will never see a vote from me again, as long as she or someone of her ilk is in charge…who advocates actively discriminatory practices against one section of society to enable wellbeing of others…not democratic not legal, not principled not suitable…

You "answered" with a question and no actual incidents, which is what you were asked for. So you didn't actually answer.

You have no evidence, and you aren't going to find any evidence as this is entirely in your head.

You don't get to demand counter-evidence when you've nothing yourself. But what you're demanding wouldn't actually prove your point anyway

You know you can just admit you don't like someone just because you don't like them.

What you provided was not an answer to the question that you were asked, it was a pathetic deflection. I'm not going to Paxman on this, but you haven't answered the question - and you never will.

I’m not telling you anything….but to argue the point you’d need to know what gender percentages applied for and we’re qualified for these positions.

but the way to tackle one facet of possible unfairness is not to engage in whataboutery…or discriminate against others.

Are you continuing to ignore the example given?

Interesting that you think you know better about the illegality of something than a Trinity professor of law.

being qualified as a professor of law doesn’t equate to agreeing with or adherence with the law… it’s bull and bluster on her behalf.. do some research yourself and come back and tell us what you think. It’s illegal.

Best most suitable and qualified candidates as opposed to… “ ohhh, errr we should get a person of X gender “

great job by McInerney…. Bacik tried to absolutely bully her in the above interview, a disgraceful performance and attitude …refusing to answer questions almost as if she felt she was above accountability but with kind of an arrogant and aggressive manner and off-handing intonation in reply to some very excellent, straightforward, persistent and pertinent questioning…

Poor Ivana is not off to a great start. Labour’s small bounce may very well transfer into a further sinking of the ships for them in a short time… she’s unlikely to be the lifeboat that core labour people sought… and hoped for.

There's that Croppies Lie Down attitude about Trinity coming to the fore again. Labour also has a wider problem in that it has failed to take ownership of the Austerity it gleeflully imposed on Irish people during the 2011-2016 FG/Labour government. Bacik, as a Labour member of the anti-democratic Seanad, voted for these Austerity measures including the Irish Water tax. The electorate remembers and does not trust Labour. That's why Labour is on 5% in the latest RedC and between 3% and 4% in others. There was no Bacik bounce as RedC's sample is drawn from a panel of 40K voters that it thinks represents the electorate rather than being a random sample of the electorate. The 1% movement was just background noise within the Margin of Error.

The funny thing is how Labour's Stickie friends in RTE still try to present Labour as being a major political party rather than the mere fringe party that it is in reality.

Regards...jmcc

They've hardly elected the right leader if they want to go down that road, have they?

I never said she was an employee, what I’m saying is her appointment would have been partially influenced by gender, therefore discriminatory …the national womens council wish to bring in gender quotas.

Ahh FFS.

I see you are now getting hot and bothered about Labour, well Ivana anyway.

I guest it is a quite week as FGers and Leo hasn't shat the bed of late. 🙄

You kow damn well why there aren't more women on boards, why there aren't more women in top management roles in industry, etc.

It has to do with how women often take career breaks to raise families, decide not to spend long hours in work either really working hard and/or ar**licking to climb the old career ladder.

But no it is because when it comes time to select the board "the misogynists get together and only pick the men."

To answer the OP's thread title question:

"if you think the Labour party have failed ?

You aint seen nothing yet."

Bacik is the worse leader possible, she hasn't been able to get elected until recently, she was only able ever to get "selected" to Seanad using her university.

I won't even grace it with the term "elected" as it is a closed shop of sorts.

She is the exact opposite of what the labour party needs to make it relevant and electable.

She is the definition of the well to do champagne socialist, although the socialist bit is even debatable as her entire political career if you want to even call it that, has been based around women's rights with a few other modern liberal agendas thrown in.

Her latest big drive has been to revoke the constitutional amendment that an overwhelming majority of the Irish electorate voted in favour of in 2004.

Bullcrap - Daffy fecking duck would have got a good result in 2017.

Corbyn was a huge problem as he was unpalatable to huge chunk of electorate, even long time labour voters.

Hell Labour lost seats they never lost before in primarily working class constituencies under his leadership.

She got "elected" by the electorate of Dublin University i.e. all Irish citizen graduates (and some undergrads) of Trinity College and as far as I know ones that were also granted degrees on behalf of Trinity but in DIT.

It "elects" 3 senators so not as if she was the only one at any one time.

And for quite a while it has been a case where the senators are actual lecturers in Trinity e.g herself and David Norris.

So trying to spin it that she is this seasoned election winner is stretching it, when the electorate are just linked to the college that employs her.

Up until recently any time she stood before the normal electorate of this state she landed flat on her face.

And it wasn't just maternity leave I meant, but women actually giving up their jobs for a number of years.

Women taking maternity leave and continuing their careers I would say is a more recent thing over the last 2 decades or so.

Before that a lot of women would have left the workforce for a number of years and then returned.

And even a few years off in the wrong time of your career can have massive bearing on it.

Hell it was even worse a number of decades before when you had ridiculous situation where women were forced out of employment when they married.

Labours stickie friends in RTE? Are you living in the 1980s

Bacik is a disastrous choice for Labour Party leader, she's a female supremacist that showed her colours as such during her shameful misrepresentation of her electorate during her time in Student Union politics, that had to be called out by David Norris for her sexist actions in the Seanad and that couldn't even win a Dáil seat when riding on the coat-tails of Eamon Gilmore's poll-topping performance in 2011. Labour won't be getting a vote from me as long as she's leader and it wouldn't surprise me at all if she failed to retain her seat tbh.