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Import a motorcycle from EU

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Went to VRT the V7 today. They'd never heard of it and have no record of any 750cc (or variations there of) Moto Guzzi...

    I have to wait for them to put it onto the system before I can get the registration... I must be the first to import one used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    I think their motorcycle database is pretty poor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Debub


    All the best, nice one (wouldnt the Poznan to Hannover run be the longest one)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Yes, I had meant to say 'another' long day. Hanover is roughly the midpoint. Looking forward to it anyway :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Debub


    Hello Knowledgeable folks - what do you think about this one? Too much or in a reasonable bracket? There are some scratches etc...

    https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=340724890



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    I know of at least 2 in Galway, so they're just plain wrong. One is even the same colour as yours.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Were they imported second hand?

    Anyways... got notice that they had processed everything yesterday evening, was at the VRT centre at 8am this morning and I now have a registration plate ready to fit! Excited!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    One is used, one is brand new. So it's definitely on the VRO system.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Its like using any online system, look at fuelly for an example. You have one type of bike, say a Deauville NT650V for example.

    If you look up Deauville 650, you find: NT650 Deauville (152 examples) NT650V (1) NT650V Deauville(5) so the same bike has been entered wrongly 3 times. Multiply that out across a whole heap of bikes and you have a load of crap info that someone in the VRT office has to try and make sense of without causing a problem and that's where the issues lie.

    For a worse example look at the 700 Deauville, there are 7 instances of that in the database!


    TLDR: Rubbish in = Bad database = Rubbish out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    I think I know what caused the issue... The VRT lady was hyper focused on the fact that she read 'Piaggio' on the German logbook... I explained that its a Moto Guzzi in detail... But the new logbook says Piaggio... Not sure what difference it'll every make, but seems to explain why there was no Piaggio 750's on the system...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭WestWicklow1


    Get that changed. Contact Shannon and tell them the bike is incorrectly named/described on the reg cert.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    The system will now be looking for a Piaggio MotoGuzzi 750 for the next poor sap that brings one in;)



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 LucianBelmau


    Hi all, new here! This board has been super helpful so far.

    I’m looking into importing from the EU myself & I have two questions.

    1. I’ve read of export plates in this thread. What are they exactly? In general, will insurance cover an EU plate bike if I want to ride it home?
    2. When doing VRT, does anything need to be changed on the bike to get it registered in Ireland? I’ve heard a friend saying once the beamers might have different inclinations or something like that but no one mentioned it here to my relief.

    Thanks in advance for your answers!

    L



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Some countries like Germany and, I think, Netherlands, the registration number can't be transferred to a new owner & the seller keeps the plates when selling. You need a temporary number plate if you're riding the bike home. In Germany anyway, this includes third party insurance for a certain time. If you are getting the bike home in a van then you don't need temporary plates or insurance.

    In other countries the number plate stays with the bike and it only changes if the bike is exported. You can ride it home on that plate if your own insurance covers it (you will probably have to specifically add the bike and you'll only be covered for a certain time on the foreign plate) Then when you pay VRT you are allocated an Irish registration number and you get the Irish plate made up at a motor factors or online.


    On some bikes the dipped beam kicks up towards the nearside, in Ireland that could dazzle drivers unless the headlamp unit can be either adjusted or replaced with the UK/Ireland version to solve the problem. I doubt this would be checked when doing VRT though.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Belgium too.

    Had no plate and I rode to nct centre 70 km away and came on a check point on the way home.

    The Garda asked me was it taxed as he began walk around the back of the bike to look for tax disc.

    I told him I just got it and he didn't bother looking and told me drive on.

    Blarney nct messed me about so it took a month and going to Waterford nct centre to sort it.

    Of course there was cops everytime I took the bike out for a spin so had to take a swift turn off a few times.

    Carol Nash insured the bike with no reg for 30 days which ran out on the day I got it vrt'd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    Even if you have the bike transported home the temp plates can come in useful as the insurance allows you to ride the bike to the VRT center... Otherwise, you may need to get it transported there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Sometimes you can insure it on the VIN , not sure which insurers will do this though.

    I found it easy enough to make a plate once you know the previous reg and just stick that on, having a plate of any kind is much better when encountering a checkpoint than none at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 LucianBelmau


    Thank you all for your replies. What if I buy the bike in a country like Italy where plates are attached to the bike? Will insurance (I’m with Carole Nash too!) cover the bike for a month until I get it VRT’d?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Like I said - you have to ring them and add the bike to your policy using the VIN, CN did this for me no problem when I imported a bike from the UK

    Scrap the cap!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    funny you should mention that: I bought a bike in NL last October and C-N originally refused to cover it, to ride it home, on the grounds the 'trip' didn't start in Ireland. Like you, I've bought bikes in the UK over decades and a phone call put them on cover without issue. Only for some serious ranting and many phone calls they wouldn't have relented.

    @LucianBelmau so, ring them, it's the only way you'll know for sure.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users Posts: 13 LucianBelmau


    I mean, how do they know where the "trip" started anyway? I might've bought it here and taken it for a spin in the Netherlands right? :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Don't make work for yourself, just go through the normal channels and get the bike that way. If anything goes wrong and you are found out then the resulting hassle for insurance is not worth it.

    There aren't many bike insurers in ireland and blacklisting yourself off the few that are here is not sensible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    I just insured my bike that's currently in Poland with C-N, no issue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭lipso


    my issue is I imported a 2017 bike from germany a few weeks ago from a private seller who had the bike from new. Before buying I checked with him if he had the German logbook equivalent and he said he never got one but only got the CoC, Certificate of Conformity which is issued for all new vehicles since 2016 I think.

    i took the bike for vrt last Friday but they won’t accept the CoC. They say that is only for new vehicles. I need to get the logbook, ‘ Zulassungsbescheinigung’ in german.

    anyone know how I can get one or get advice about it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭WestWicklow1


    I wouldn't have bought it without the Zulassungsbescheinigung. However, you are where you are and my first advice is to ask the person you bought it from to apply for one and send it to you.

    Also, have a read here...

    https://www.service-bw.de/zufi/leistungen/439?plz=68526#formulare

    Post edited by WestWicklow1 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭robbie_63


    Could the bike have been stolen if it was sold without any registration docs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    You should have been given the document by the seller, it's a green folded paper with the vehicle registration information on it. There is no way he didn't have that if he rode the bike in Germany: by law you have to carry it with you on the bike at all times.

    I'd go back to him, firmly but politely, and insist on it, they're usually sticklers for paperwork. You can tell him the exporting authorities in Germany also need it. (who's he to argue ? )



    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    All sounds odd. The bike should be deregistered before leaving Germany... The logbook would be provided at that point if not already available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yikes. You don't own a vehicle if you don't have the documents, you own a garage ornament (and not even that, if it's stolen)

    Scrap the cap!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭newmember2


    Yes...any bike coming in off the European continent will need its headlight changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Motorbikes generally don't have headlights that point left or right, they go straight ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Not necessarily so: I've bought a lot of BMW's in Germany and the headlights are asymmetrical: if you look up a parts fiche you'll see there are different part numbers for 'Linksverkehr' /'Rechtsverkehr' (Left Side Road Driving /Right Side Road Driving). Depending on the bike, I used to order a 'Linksverkehr' headlight when I bought the bike for use here.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I haven't exactly owned dozens of bikes but I've yet to own one which has an asymmetric dipped beam.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    In the main they are all pointed the same way, there are some outliers like the GS, that's why I said generally



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    RT's up to 1150 at least are asymmetric - not sure after that. If you look carefully, you can sometimes see a small arrow on the lens.

    MOT in the UK, from where many bike here are from, is an asymmetric test - but - you can have a flat pattern beam so long as no part of the beam intrudes above the tolerance band of the (lowest) part of the pattern.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    Not to derail the thread further but most would have the flat pattern. Of course BMW wouldn't follow that but they're well.. BMW. If you look at the lens of most Honda or Yammy you'll see the beam isn't guided left or right. Actually a pal brought in an S1000RR and his beam is flat and straight. Not sure why you'd want it any other way on a bike when you're liable to be in different positions on the road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt



    It's just a historic thing, modern light units are far more complex and aim is far more accurate.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭newmember2


    I'd have to disagree...you'll find plenty of 'Honda or Yammy' with different headlights depending whether they're the UK/IRL market version or the European market version.


    Just as an example -every fireblade ever produced have different headlights depending on market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I tell a lie - the GPz900R has a different headlamp unit for UK/Ireland and rest of Europe. A rectangular unit which looks rather old-fashioned today but was very modern looking at the time when pretty much every bike had a single large round headlamp.

    The idea of an asymmetric dipped beam is to light up road signs on the nearside.

    Scrap the cap!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭scudster


    The faq section on the VRT website states you need to show CO2 and NOx emissions. How the hell to ya prove NOx emissions? CO2 should be on the original reg doc alright.



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭myclist


    I dont think they apply that to bikes. VRT is based only on CC and age for bikes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭scudster


    Sound.

    I just agreed a deal to buy a KTM 1090 Adventure R in France. Plan to ride it back on 1st June.

    What did you guys that rode bikes home do when it came to the euro tunnel and ferry’s? Just rock up and buy tickets for the next crossing or pre book tickets?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,741 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I've never taken an English Channel ferry but have used the tunnel loads of times. Just turned up, paid, and got on the next available train, never a problem.

    A ferry direct to Ireland is a good option too, not cheap but riding right across the UK isn't either with petrol prices these days. Unless you've got the timings spot on you'll need an overnight bed somewhere too. You'll definitely need to book a ferry in advance in summer.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭scudster


    That’s good to know, thanks!

    The direct ferry is a good idea but would probably take longer. Plus I’d be missing out on riding my new bike 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt



    I rode from NL to Cherbourg, stayed in a fab small hotel in the countryside outside Rouen on the way back with my bike. Then a leisurely Sunday a.m. jaunt up to the Ferry for 16:30. Arrived in Dublin at 11:00 the following mornng: had a full cabin, ensuite, TV, WiFi etc - €171 all in. You'd spend more than that crossing the UK between fuel, stayover and the sheer hastle of it.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭cmyk


    Just a couple of quick questions on importing for you folks in the know.

    Does importing from N.I. classify as EU (only VRT reg)?

    And the second question is regarding the <6month/<6000km ruling, does it have to meet both of those requirements. i.e. Would a 2019 bike that only has 4000km be subject to VAT or other charges?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭sirmixalot


    Yep, just one of the two, so if it's that old (2019) then it's fine.

    The other part as far as I'm aware is that if the bike was already registered (i.e sold in the north to another resident there at the time) and you buy it then I think you are fine, if it has been imported from mainland UK (Scot, Wales, Eng etc) and is being sold direct up north and you buy it then you could be liable for VAT.

    I maybe wrong about the second part but when I used to buy bikes pre Brexit then all you'd pay was VRT. Now you'll pay VAT too. Probably better getting a bike from France, Holland or Germany...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    I'm not sure that a vehicle even a few years old with less than 6k will get away without VAT.

    This is straight from Revenues manual:

    The term 'new means of transport' refers to vehicles which are less than a specified age, or have travelled less than a specified distance. It is a concept in European VAT law, and is significant only when calculating VAT liability for vehicles transported into a Member State from another Member State or non-EU country. It is important to note that a vehicle can have been owned by one or more persons, or registered in one or more countries, and still be taxable as a 'new means of transport' if it is moved from one country to another. The following vehicles are 'new means of transport':  A motorised land vehicle with an engine cylinder capacity of 48 cubic centimetres or a power exceeding 7.2 kilowatts which was supplied 6 months or less after the date of first entry into service; or has travelled 6,000 kilometres or less. 



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  • Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭robbie_63


    Also, the Mileage is only checked at the time you present it for VRT, so you have 30 days to get the mileage up...



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