Dublin GAA Discussion Thread: Mod Note - No 'Dublin Dominance' chat allowed!

At least the Leinster championship will provide plenty of opposition for division 2 next year.

I don't know what Dessie is talking about when I listen to his media sound bites.

The integration of some of the younger players? What integration? The younger players (the ones that will hold a place are not even young) have come in and run around a bit. There has been no integration.

Re-energise some of the senior players? Why do they suddenly need re-energising? There was no lack of appetite under previous management. The players falling off would previously have run through walls for the cause.

He's a bluffer. There's no other word for it.

I think Kilkenny is only suited with dynamic players full of energy around him. Good player as he is he only slows down play. And needs other players to make runs for him to work off. Rock is gone as far as threat from play.

Fenton at least has flashes of brilliance but again if he has no one to work off he can look like a luxury player.

Howard and Scully are going to be heavily leaned on in the next few years. They will have to find consistency. Farrell seems unsure how to use Howard in particular. It all seems so messy.

You are not too far off the mark. Dublin was a unit/team made up of fit strong players. I actually surprised how far Fenton has regressed. Two years ago I rated him up there with Jack O'Shea. However now that the team around him has changed he has slipped back to being an average player. Even after the Kerry team faded after 1986, Jacko and Pat Spillane were still good players and worked very hard.

I actually think Kilkenny is burnt out. As well teams know he the player to watch/ mark. Dublin carried Rock as a freetaker/scorer even in there prime. He was never had to work as hard as the rest. Now he only contributes on the score board and they cannot carry him for that any longer

Dublin have an old backline now with Fitzsimmons, Cooper and McCarthy any team that runs at them or kick ball against that backline will get scores. McDaid and Byrne are noe supposed to be good enough and were not really in there early twenties. Murchan is the only top class defender they have now.

So basically all Dublin have to do is find five or so Shane Ryan’s who can play anywhere and would run all day. It will be grand….😩

Seriously that is the approach I would have thought Farrell would have went with. Not as many natural ‘footballers’.

Get fellas that are not as skilful, but work like mad. Which makes it even more annoying to me at the way he approached it. As hard workers can mask lack of skill. And the more skilful fellas need the support around them.

It will be interesting to see what type of players the manager after Farrell goes for.

I have given up on Dessie Farrell at this stage.

Whelo on about Dublin and the relegation @10:00

Notably no criticism of Dessie Farrell. Seems to blame the Dublin backs. But no mention of management and the team the manager set up.

We had two u20 teams that reached AI finals in 2019 & 2020. I expect them players to backbone team in future. Dessie has used 14/15 of them in league/OBC. Will see more game time next year.

Bugler has been one of our best players in the forwards. Has scored 10/11 points. Half back line for championship will be more than likely Murchan, Small and McDaid. Lee Gannon will be pushing for a spot there. McCarthy will be needed at midfield with POCB injured.

The fact Mullins is mentioned shows the lack of quality managers available to Dublin. Mullins last managed intercounty with Derry in 98 which was far from a success. Didn't have any success with Vincent's in his two recent spells. Clarke, Darcy and Jayo are more coaches than managers. Gilroy and Gavin have work commitments. The top clubs in Dublin are bringing in managers from the country.

Recent u20 managers are volunteers brought in managing development squads from u14. Definitely not senior intercounty material. Jim and Dessie learned the ropes from u21. CB need to be putting potential manager into u20 roles . All county teams including minor, u20 playing same tactics Gavin and Darcy introduced in 2017. We have become too predictable in our play. We are struggling to break down average teams. You can blame Dessie for drop in standards in coaching but players need to step up too. He lost one championship game when a 45 was retaken. We drew with Mayo in 2015 after letting a 8 point lead slip. The difference was Dublin got a replay that day. Dessie was unfortunate game went to extra time which swung momentum in mayo favour.

Lahiff got better as league went on. Got a dirty belt at the throw up yesterday and had go off. Would still prefer McCarthy in there.. Jonny brought much leadership to backs on his return but can't see him and Mick Fitz starting together. Cian Murphy played well against Donegal and thought should have started yesterday .

If we have first 15 fit we will give anyone a game. Problem is we lack a bench outside 2/3 lads. It time for young lads to make a name for themselves.

The reason the drop has seem to come harder and faster is because the 2020 win was an anomaly if COVID. As well last year Leinster shielded Dublin from reality of an aging team.

In 2020 a few of the better teams mainly Kerry, and the Northern team team took there eye off the ball. They were all looming 2-3 game further on than they should have. Leinster teams were beaten before they took the field it was similar in 2021.

I do not think Dublin would have won an AI in 2020 ex except for Cavan and Tipperary winning provincial championship's.

Because they won in 2020 the core of the team stated together for 2021.

On paper dose it look a strong. Not really. It's has 4 players that are 31/32. It has 3-4 players who were not good enough at 22/23 to make the team and are now making the team.

The team is dependent on 3-4 top notch players in the 25-30 year age profile and 2-3 you ger players. The bench is below par for a top level team.

Could they win an AI this year ya they could Kerry could fumble again somewhere. Mayo and Tyrone would need to slip up as well ( well maybe not Mayo they usually find a way to lose). Dublin would fancy there chances against Monoghan, Donegal or Galway....but all of these would fancy there chanc s as well

Look I am not complaining about Dublin winning. What I just pointed out was that it was an anomaly and it the reason some people may thing Dublin collapse is a sudden downward spiral. If course they could only beat what was before them but there decline looks sudden because of it.