What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Was wondering who was going to be the first to twist my words lol 🤪

<Snipped> Doesn't matter.

Unless you are 100% completely pro-immigration, you are anti-immigration. There is no middle ground allowed. Apparently.

I'm in favour of multiculturalism. Just not the way it's implemented. I'm in favour of an increased foreign born population. But I would like to see greater controls on which groups are encouraged, and that we have more than adequate supports/services in place to provide for them. I do believe that the native population (including 2nd generations migrants born here) should come first, and foreign groupings coming second until they've proven themselves capable of contributing positively to the State/Nation. etc. And I believe we should be deporting those who break our laws, or have proven incapable of supporting themselves.

However... I am anti-immigration. Because I've been told that I am. The truth doesn't matter. There is no middle ground for some posters. Either you're pro- or you are anti-.

Although I do find it amusing that the people who are critical of immigration policies, or the problems of multiculturalism, tend to be more tolerant of everything that is in the middle. Less need to box you into a category with a strict adherence to a set of beliefs. Whereas those who are pro- tend to need to box you into such a category. It is interesting the way these things have developed over the years.

You're wasting your time.

I have come to the realisation, mostly from this thread, that those who advocate for multiculturalism and immigration (generally mass immigration although that's denied to varying degrees), march to a very different tune to the rest of us. You see, most of us want to live in a fair society, where we are not judged by our gender, race, culture, etc.. but rather as individuals, with particular needs but essentially treated the same, with opportunities available for everyone, but those opportunities are restricted by peoples own choices. Their choices in educational attainment, their choices not to avail of State supports to get that education, the choice to go abroad for a few years to get useful experience, or the choice to remain in Ireland, either to work, or to.. whatever.

The point is that these advocates don't want that. Instead, our identity is incredibly important and we should be categorised by that identity, receiving benefits or costs due to that framework. So, migrants who come here, becoming Irish, are Irish, but it's important that they remain of their original nationality or culture, so that they can be both migrant and Irish. Those who don't become Irish, should be treated the same as other Irish people, but they deserve greater help because, well, reasons. And where do the resources and financing come from to support all these people? Well, native people should pay, because they have more... regardless of whether they actually have more or whether the perception is by being natively Irish, you automatically have more, and so, you need to pay.

There is no acknowledgement that Ireland's economic success could end, or that the costs accrued by all these virtuous gestures will become too great to maintain.. probably because it is other people that will pay for it. The advocates never really believe that they, themselves, will ever be made to pay, but if that day comes, at least, they can feel good about making everyone else pay too.

Equality is not the goal here. I'm not really sure what goes on in the mind of the native Irish who push this approach, but I suspect they feel some bizarre notion of guilt for growing up in a decent nation, during a decent time in it's economic status.

As such, scammers will be treated as heroes. Those who break our laws will be treated similarly. They beat the system. A system that is ridiculously favourable to them, but still, they managed to beat it. Beat it with the help of NGOs supported by the State, and the taxpayer... or a Justice department that refuses to deport those who shouldn't be here, and will actively ignore illegal work placements... but yeah, they beat the system, and should be applauded for it.

It truly boggles the mind how retarded the whole notion is. Must be nice to live in a reality where consequences are never negative, and it's always someone else's fault when their notions fail to produce the desired results. After all, when the Irish economy falters due to the near constant rises in social spending or aid programmes, or when social unrest manifests into violence because migrants are tired of being poor compared to the average middle class earner (not working class), these advocates won't look at their handiwork and say "we did this". Nope. It will be other peoples fault. They didn't do it right. They resisted too much. Whatever.

I suspect a lot of the posters who support the obvious scam artists, work in the asylum industry, and have skin in the game. It would not surprise me if part of the paid duties are online advocacy and discrediting genuine concerns by crying rascism everywhere. Also I suspect a lot of "journalists" are bought and paid for to set the narrative(and quite possibly are true believers too from the various schools of journalism)

I blame the lizard people

Plenty of streets in Ireland named after folks who were classed as criminals by the ruling powers of the day e.g. Civil War fighters, War of Independence folks, 1916 gang etc.

Just a matter of time and perspective