FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

Some posters refuse to recognise exclusionary politics when they are blatantly practiced. The C&S government was an attempt to exclude any chance they would lose control of the power swap and this coalition is the last desperate attempt to hold on and they are making a bags of it.

I could see their support fall by 5-10 points if they say they will go into coalition in the same way again.

Some interesting reading on the breakdown of the latest Red C Poll especially on the first preference vote intention graph. SF leading the way is all age categories except the 55+, I don't know whether that is good or bad considering that the younger population tends not to come out and vote, FG leading the way in the over 55's which is the age category that do come out and vote. Then again there is just a 3% difference in that age group between FG and SF

Even worse from SF's POV, forming a government without FF or FG would have required the support of several of the 'nonideological' independents like Lowry and McGrath, to cite just one constituency. You could just feel FF and FG willing SF to make themselves look ridiculous by trying to 'woo' those guys...

'Proved that they are just as corrupt'? How do you make that out?

Show us your proof.

'Everyone knows' there is only one party with a leader who is the subject of a major ongoing criminal inquiry. Two major parties are complicit (through inaction) in fraud and corruption in local government. We have had many tribunals/inquiries looking into fraud and shennanigans by the two power swap parties too.

Just as corrupt? Sorry the evidence is that the power swap is more corrupt than any others.

This is the relevant thread. We are discussing the government parties.

Do you actually have opinions or are you just here to try and deflect discussion? You made a comment and when challenged, ran away. Not for the first time. This isn't a soapbox for brokenangel.

You did lie.

I never said that 'fecking eejit' was said as banter...I said it 'MAY have been banter and we needed to know the context' I even backed it up by showing greeting cards and situations where the phrase is used without issue.

Have you withdrawn the claim I said it was banter? Nope, you haven't, the lie remains out there.

Nobody in government prepared to back Coveney's pet project after his scandals? Not looking good to be next leader of FG.

They had it won, the 'pity' is the government hadn't the balls to back Coveney's project. There was nobody standing in it's way if they really wanted it to happen, THEY are the government after all.

Fear, brokenangel, of more chaos and ministerial incompetence was the issue with this.

The numbers were there and are there for Sinn Fein. If they could put themselves together with the Greens, Labour, SDs and PBP, then they would have persuaded enough independents. However, even those smaller parties couldn't stand the stench and negotiate with them (apart from PBP who called SF out for lack of seriousness in their approach). So, in my opinion, nothing to do with FG/FF but the stench that comes from SF is what prevented them forming a government.

Mid-term stagnation and boredom is what is driving the polls. Not any indication of what will happen in 2024.

I'm saying the government weren't brave enough to go through with it because Coveney has no political capital left due to his scandals.

Should the government hold the Americas Cup or not?

It is a simple question that you are avoiding. To me, it looks like the Government correctly explored the possibility of hosting the Americas Cup as it was a potential winner for Ireland, and then, having assessed the options, decided, it seems correctly, that the Americas Cup wasn't worth hosting. Now I haven't looked at all the details, but it seems that simple.

So are you saying that the government should have had prescient powers and predicted in advance of examining the issue that it wasn't worth examining? Or are you saying that the government having spent some money examining the issue should have spent an awful lot more money for no return just because they examined it in the first place? Or are you just makey-up complaining for the sake of complaining? So tell us, should the government hold the Americas Cup or not?

I think it's more to do with the government being linked to an "elite" sports event rather than Coveneys profile.

A missed opportunity in my opinion. A major global sporting event in a world renowned location for sailing.

Absolutely...

I wonder will there be similar objections if we try to get the Ocean race here again..

Yes, the use of stench in the context I used it was appropriate in my opinion.