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Gas price to rise by 39% and Electric by 27% in April.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Cape Clear


    I can see a lot having to pay bills by instalments that they might have paid in one go previously and availing of the level pay type options that some utility providers offer. The likes of the €200 credit due in April will hopefully take some of the pressure off people but I fear with the other inflationary pressures it may only be a drop in the ocean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,652 ✭✭✭✭fits


    250 a month the last two months and that’s all our heating , cooking and 90% driving. But it’s a lot higher than it used to be. ( we just got the ev in august). Last year 120 a month level pay covered it. changed contract in august too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭amargar


    Would it be a good move to drop Oil and move to Gas for heating?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭Snugbugrug28


    What's your BER if you don't mind me asking? (Sorry to be a nosey parker!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,652 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I don’t have one because the new building is classed as an extension. It’s linked to an older building by a corridor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Piece here on how electricity prices are set in the EU and how it's not working properly. All eyes on what comes out of the EU summit.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I am fecking raging I didn't spend the extra to get a back boiler stove when I was doing up the house.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭babyducklings1


    Yes there was a bit in one of the national newspapers about that topic this week. I can’t find the article now but it looks like they are going to increase prices as well. As you say wheel it out to the public!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Our household energy needs are costing a lot recently and seeing them due to go up more has lead to us redoing the household budget, definitely cutting back on discretionary spending and focusing on sticking more to a list with the weekly household shop. I'm not sure I can support the sanctions against Russia anymore since it risks having a severe impact on our quality of life via cost of living soaring - given the severe financial impact to us in the West by supporting sanctions against Russia, it almost seems madness how we are letting a localised conflict in eastern Ukraine bother us so much.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    The government are not going to help you as they are spending all your money and borrowing more to take in an unknown number of Ukrainian refugees.

    housing crisis, tough

    fuel crisis, tough

    energy crisis, tough

    heath care over stretched, tough

    Can’t wait for the election. It will be a bloodbath.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Too much of a "keeping up with the Jones' " from FF and FG by trying to brown nose the EU and the US, but at a cost to our own social prosperity. The election will create quite a chaotic political scene for us, right when we need political stability. It's not going to be good I feel in a few years here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭Tippman24


    I was up in Arigna a few years ago doing the tour of the mines. Our guide advised that the coal that came from there was of poor quality and could only be used for electric generation. Even with that the mine it would need a subsidy from the state for each ton produced. He did advise however that the coal produced down in Castlecomer was of the highest quality and did have huge potential. However our NIMBYs will make sure that thus will never happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Energia are leapfrogging now again.


    The whole thing is kind of like a reverse Laurel and Hardy where the owners of these companies with their black suits, dickiebows, ridiculous looking moustaches and cigars make eejits out of the audience for their own amusement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Cape Clear




  • Registered Users Posts: 970 ✭✭✭AdrianG08


    We are told this €200 subsidy was to appear on our bills for April, received my bill today (payment due in early April) and no sign of the subsidy.

    Is this the case for everyone?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,095 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The Government has stated that the credit will be a €200 (including VAT) electricity credit and will be available from the 4th of April, some households may not receive the credit until May or June depending on when you are due to bill.

    The Government Electricity Credit will be automatically applied to all electricity customer accounts and no action will be required from the customer.

    https://www.electricireland.ie/residential/help/billing/government-electricity-credit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Just got our latest electricity bill and got a shock at how much it's increased. I know its been flagged for the last few months but still....

    We have oil heating and got 500lts a few weeks ago and it was 800+ and last year a whole tank was around that price. Also noticed the shopping and petrol going up every week. Time to start cutting back on stuff wherever possible I think.

    We've had a long run of stable prices and should be thankful for that I suppose but it seems to be everything

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  • Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭BattleCorp1


    Hold on to your britches. It's going to get a whole lot worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Think you're right and the extra carbon taxes coming in may and october wont help. There was something on the news earlier about the cost of housing gone up 14% around the country. How are people expected to save to buy a place to live anymore or pay the crazy rents. We're lucky we were able to buy years ago, we'd really struggle to pay the huge rents and save a deposit now. Something needs to change.





  • Paying huge rent here at 2k a month before bills and saving for a deposit. Our leccy was 800 for 2 months.

    It ain't easy watching house prices go up year on year.

    I keep saying to herself, we'll end up moving to the continent and buying over there. Thank **** for remote work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    it,ll get worse oil prices are going up,energy prices effect all production, we might be going for a recession, as people slow down on buying luzury goods, like expensive phones, game consoles ,brand name clothing, we,ll be spending more on energy,petrol, oil, we have been in a long period of low inflation ,low interest rates for years, the only thing going up in price every year was property, i dont know how people can save up a deposit, unless they can live with their family avoid paying rent .its like running in a race, you run at 15mph, if the person in front runs at 25mph ,you,,ll never be able to catch up



  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭TheGlossy


    Same here. I have already received my bill, due for payment April 8th and no trace of this subsidy.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,653 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Threads merged



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I don't think the reality of what's coming down the tracks has hit home yet.

    I suppose we are to a large extent quite optimistic people, and most just try to live for today. Great to see the numbers of people heading away for a break from this depressing island (even though Dublin Airport is a disaster), because it will become one of those "discretionary" spends that will only apply to a certain cohort before too long I think.

    Realistically what can anyone do? It is going to be tough for those planning a future, getting married, buying a house and so on. Will be much harder to do and will take a lot longer than now. Then when time passes the prices will be still out of reach. It is so disheartening.

    I don't know.... except I do know that the standing charges are outrageous. The VAT needs to be at a lower level on energy, sure isn't that one of the reasons Brexit happened (LOL), so that Britain could set its own VAT rates without approval from the EU. That same EU needs to get its act together PDQ for all our sakes, and get out of the Berlaymont Building and live in the real world.

    Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be bumpy alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    I'm in the same boat, my bill is due on the 1st April, they take the direct debit on the 15th, if the credit appears between those 2 dates i'm going to ring up and ask that they take it off, they might not, might say it's too late, but no harm in asking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,549 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's 2.5 years away and much of this will have passed by then. You seem to assume that the Opposition have huge stashes of fairy dust to magic all of this away!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's already done that but the likely arithmetic is still in the government's favour, despite expected losses. Some of this stuff, especially the energy pricing question they have very little control over and are at the mercy of the global markets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,288 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    The powers that be still aren't understanding what uncontrollable energy prices does to the economy/inflation. It's a double edged sword, if they don't cap prices or drastically reduce tax, the VAT receipts will plummet from lack of consumer spending, jobs will go adding to social welfare bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Wtf are you talking about. Claiming most of these problems with our country will be passed by then. If anything we could be even worse off. Recession is a high possibility.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭OmegaRed


    Wait, are you telling me the opposition don't have a magic wand to wave and fix everything?

    Well, this has runined my lovely sunny Wednesday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so



    Puerile invective aside, most of the stuff on that list will be gone. Housing and health in mess are a a given.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sadly, they lost it and must embark on a quest to seek it out once more!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It is the price of gas at the root of this and they have limited scope to adjust that as it's primarily EU-dictated. We may be able to drop 1-1.5% off but that's it. There were some discussions last week about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3


    At this rate the middle income unsubsidised earners will be closer to the welfare recipients.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭arctictree


    We are with SSE Airtricity. I assume since they state that they are 100% renewable that their prices wont be going up?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Glad to see you have a crystal ball. Any chance of the winning lotto numbers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Cape Clear


    I'm expecting circa 60% rise in electricity prices in the coming 12 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    If you have a mortgage payment of 1000 or more you already are.

    Any middle income worker on less than 65K PA paying a mortgage of a thousand a month or paying college costs for their children is worse off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    I'm with them as well, and i see SSE have raised annual earnings forecast for the second time this year, the share price has hit an all time high.

    Expecting a price hike any day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    They wheeled out a price-hike cart not so long ago so hopefully it will take them a while to prepare a new one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭arctictree


    But why would they raise electricity prices when they are not buying oil and gas? Would seem to me like a perfect opportunity to get customers from their competitors using fossil fuels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,260 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    The guys who own these companies all probably play golf at the same club and attend the same conferences so they're not going to eat each other's lunch



  • Registered Users Posts: 455 ✭✭Dont Be at It


    That's not how it works, unfortunately. No energy company subsidises their retail arm using their upstream generation. The wholesale cost of power, by and large, dictates the price for the customer. Can vary a bit depending on when the company locked in the price but not massively.

    And the wholesale cost of power is 90% determined by wholesale gas (up ~400% year on year) and carbon prices (up maybe 200%).

    Every company that already hasn't will be announces increases in the coming weeks. And most will likely have another similar increase in 6 - 9 months again.

    The only thing that has "saved" us so far is that all the big energy companies would have locked in at least some of this current period at lower wholesale prices 12 - 18 months ago. But that's coming to an end now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    The fact the current government gave out a blanket invite to an unknown number of refugees with no plan on where to put them or how it will impact current services is what people will remember. It’s the current government that are responsible for the result of this. Interest rates going up will impact government borrowing too, that means less money coming in on top of the tax take falling on top of fuel and food price increases with inflation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It will cost far more for government efforts to mitigate fuel and energy costs. Giving war refugees somewhere to stay is just what one does as a civilised country anyway. They are welcome and it will cost what it does to help them. Rates are unlikely to move anywhere until the ECB determines how embedded inflation is. Even at 12 months of it you could see them holding off as we are still barely post-COVID at this stage. How inflation goes really depends on the whole Russian misadventure and the same applies for energy costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭reniwren


    I have a bad feeling that once these prices are in their in. Why would a company want to reduce the amount of profit it can make once they have an excuse to bring it in. Insurance is still high even with all the changes made for that industry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 455 ✭✭Dont Be at It


    Nah, they'll come back down if/when gas prices come back down.

    Companies are always trying to acquire new customers and the best way to do that is through price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    You take in a manageable amount, the government has no cap so any number could arrive. Zero planning on where to put them, talk of new builds when the construction sector is saying it’s not profitable so they are not doing it. No plan on the impact on education or the health sector just the parrot message of no limit.

    Interest rates have to go up to fight inflation, if you don’t do it then you get hyper inflation. Europe will push it soon enough, the US have already started. This is separate from the energy and commodities price increase.

    Printing money is never free eventually you devalue the existing supply, this is also a result of printing money for COVID not just the situation in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Anyone with VHI is going to get a rebate apparently. I thought premia would increase TBH since fewer people can afford PHI especially the younger cohort renting or saving for deposits, who subsidise the oldies like me. But so it seems.

    A chink of light in the never ending news of increases.



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