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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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    #43922
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Bad look from the health care unions

    Bringing back mask mandates and wfh is laughable

    “What we are asking, is that steps are taken to flatten the curve again,” he said.

    “We’re not going back to talking about the draconian restrictions. We’re talking about the relatively simple interventions of requiring people to wear masks in indoor settings and advising people to work from home where possible.”

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/healthcare-unions-call-for-masks-and-work-from-home-to-return-rate-of-covid-infections-falls-in-a-week-41505472.html

    2 years in and this is the best they can come up with



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    #43923
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859255#Comment_118859255

    Go out and live your life FFS.



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    #43924
    Vicxas
    Registered Users Posts: 15,374 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859677#Comment_118859677

    They're just trying to cover up the fact that for 2 years they've invested 0 into improving the infrastructure in hospitals. Despite a global pandemic



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    #43925
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859255#Comment_118859255

    Are you eldery or vulnerable or immuno compromised ? Are you fully vaccinated?

    Personally speaking if you are vaccinated and not vulnerable I would simply get on and live my life . I and my husband are over 65 , vaccinated and boostered and we have absolutely no intention of staying in and wasting another day of our lives . I am fully aware that covid is out there and willing to take that risk so I can live my life

    If we get it we get it and most likely will live to tell the tale so why would we waste any more time worrying ?



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    #43926
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859255#Comment_118859255

    Don't park your social life for another year. Best wait till 2030 to be totally sure.



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    #43927
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    A nice little drop in hospitals this morning. From 1610 down to 1535. May the trend continue.



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    #43928
    [Deleted User]
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    Decent drop in hospital numbers today and that will hopefully continue until Saturday.

    There's no doubt now that this is starting to fizzle out with no need for masks or restrictions.


    It's time to end all this nonsense talk of masks and restrictions now.



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    #43929
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859452#Comment_118859452

    Because Covid has been extremely profitable for the media, and that's not conspiracy theory. It's quite clearly in their interest for it to continue



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    #43930
    lucernarian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118853259#Comment_118853259

    Yes, I generally agree with that but only by a matter of weeks. No one seems to want to have the kind of discussion about effective mask usage at any level in Ireland, even though we don't currently have supplies of the only effective administer-at-home treatment.

    I wouldn't go as far as to say it's virtue signalling, when I was last outside before I got the rona myself I noticed that many of those still wearing masks were wearing those of the respirator variety. Probably about 50% of those still bothering to do so. Maybe that's dropped since a week or two ago. And yes such individual measures are probably only going to diminish the peak of hospitalised cases somewhat and otherwise have no effect on the spread of covid (epidemiologically speaking).


    The funny thing is, Ireland has a pre-covid domestic supply of FPP2 masks and they were able to supply post-HSE orders/acquisitions since like October 2020... We could have adopted the rather successful German model since mid-2021 but it is what it is.


    I still think that having a stealth herd immunity policy without having supplies of effective treatment tablets is a daft idea and could have been easily avoided with just some modest public health efforts. But there would still be some pushback from those who feel very vulnerable / superstitious about the virus.



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    #43931
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Claire Byrne like a dog with a bone trying to get Micheal Martin to bring back mandatory mask wearing and greater wfh in support of health care unions statement this morning



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    #43932
    Amadan Dubh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859798#Comment_118859798

    I don't recall our hospitals being overwhelmed the last two years outside of the normal winter seasons, despite the fact there was a global pandemic going on. But a lot of appointments and surgeries were cancelled so in fact it would appear that hospitals were actually quite easy places to work the last two years and the health staff actually had it easier than in the years pre-pandemic. That isn't to say anything other than that I understand why the unions and health workers are trying to shoehorn in the covid-induced practices on a more medium term basis as they have poor morale it seems and covid-era quieter jobs was a nice respite. Unfortunately, it is not the general public's fault and any sympathy they seek from the general public is lost when they try to force us via guilt and emotional manipulation to accept more covid restrictions that, quite frankly, the vast majority of us are tired of and (correctly) do not accept the link they will have to the perceived benefit they are argued to bring to the hospitals.



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    #43933
    kirk.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Jeez the drama on the radio now with MM

    Unbelievable histrionics from Claire Byrne and the unions worse than spoilt children

    Thanks be to God they made their decision and stuck to it

    I hope the ones critical of posters like me and others have seen the light today

    An unelected rabble of unions and media trying to drive us back to restrictions we don't need

    Its turning out to be a great day for Ireland and government and Freedom from tyranny



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    #43934
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860072#Comment_118860072

    How is MM handling them on the radio ?



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    #43935
    lucernarian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118853660#Comment_118853660

    From a quick glance of the thread, there's an underlying trend in these posts that seem to suggest that using masks, and enforceable rules around them, were not effective to begin with. No one really comes out and says it, but it seems obvious to me.

    They definitely had a time and a place, and hopefully we don't go down the road of make your own mask or bits of plastic to protect your face again...


    We should be in a much better situation by late April too (at least as far as hospitalisation rates are concerned)



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    #43936
    Spudman_20000
    Registered Users Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860072#Comment_118860072

    Deeply worrying that some health professionals actually believe face coverings in community settings would do anything for incidences of covid at this point.

    No more so than the disgusting teachers unions, they haven't covered themselves in glory in the past week.



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    #43937
    lucernarian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Great news. I expected a meaningful drop to only begin next week (and maybe some of those in hospital were only those availing of the one effective antibody treatment, before being discharged).



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    #43938
    kirk.
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860090#Comment_118860090

    Very well

    Where did the WFH come from at the last minute ?


    Is it what they threw it in at the last minute to get one of the 2 ?



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    #43939
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    @lucernarian wrote:

    From a quick glance of the thread, there's an underlying trend in these posts that seem to suggest that using masks, and enforceable rules around them, were not effective to begin with. No one really comes out and says it, but it seems obvious to me.

    Indeed. There are those who have seen the removal of restrictions as justification for their opposition to them. "If we don't need them now, then we never needed them". Which is a position so devoid of logic that I don't even know where to start. There are just some people who don't seem to understand that things have changed over time. Whether that's people still hiding out and refusing to socialise, or those still whinging about the restrictions that are now gone.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860149#Comment_118860149

    Numbers are going to be weird for most of April. Impact (if any) from the bank holiday will be seen around now, then after next week the schools are off, then the weekend after it's Easter. Then the weather will begin to improve and the infection will slink away.

    At this point it's a waste of time fretting about any number except ICU. Which we know is going nowhere.



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    #43940
    Spudman_20000
    Registered Users Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860221#Comment_118860221

    Did the size of the virus change or something? Surely if masks were as effective as we were led to believe, the transmissibility shouldn't have been as big a factor as it was in cases rising.



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    #43941
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860254#Comment_118860254

    Viral load and the ability of the virus to attach, changed.

    That is, the volume of viral shedding from an infected individual increased, and the virus got a whole lot better at infiltrating cells.

    So not only are infected individuals wearing cloth masks shedding more infectious material into the air around them, the odds of becoming infected when exposed to that material, have gone way up.

    To the point that there is functionally no difference between wearing and not wearing a cloth mask - the viral material is so infectious, that cloth masks are unable to filter out enough to make a difference. This was not the case with previous variants.

    Think about it like any gaseous material. For example, if the fatal level of sulphur in the air is 5ppm, then at 3-5ppm wearing a cloth mask over your face may be the difference between life and death.

    But above that it doesn't matter if the level is 10ppm or 100ppm in the air; a cloth mask will not save you. You ded.

    The same applies here. Cloth masks won't stop you getting covid, they might (at best) just reduce the initial severity of it.



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    #43942
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859843#Comment_118859843

    Sorry I asked! I have had people laying extremely heavy guilt trips on me anytime I organise anything or go anywhere.

    If I do stuff - criticism. If I don’t do stuff criticism.

    I’ve a number of vulnerable relatives who I can’t just stop calling into, one of them really needs the social support, so I’m just either constantly testing or avoiding my own social stuff entirely.

    On top of that I’m in near constant pain with a back problem which I can’t seem to get sorted out which means I can’t really even go for a walk for the last few months. I was aiming to go to the gym to try and deal with aspects of that.

    My office still hasn’t reopened and I think they’ve basically given up on not being 100% virtual working, so I’m permanently stuck in a bubble.

    I’m at the stage I just feel like I’m permanently stressed and it never ends. It’s like my life as I knew it just stopped in 2020.



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    #43943
    bloopy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Just twelve hours to go.

    Hopefully the government can 'hold firm'.

    The talking heads on the radio this morning were mad for the auld masks.



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    #43944
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860450#Comment_118860450

    Sorry to hear that. If I were you, I'd ignore the noisy relatives and get back to living. Once you get out, you'll feel better and wonder what the hell all the fuss was about.

    Best of luck.



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    #43945
    Royale with Cheese
    Registered Users Posts: 9,126 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    There should be a ceremonial burning of facemasks at midnight should the legislation lapse as expected. We can repeat each year on March 31st to mark this joyous occasion.



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    #43946
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Most Restrictions and masks were always a load of absolute nonsense. Ask the Scots how helpful the masks are.

    We can see now without them that cases will still rise and drop. All we ever needed to do was be less hysterical and toughen up.

    Things like closing pubs early, 9 euro meals and banning outdoor sports were ridiculous.

    I've yet to see a shred of evidence that any of those things did anything. Working from home maybe.



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    #43947
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Improving the ventilation on busses in particular would be useful. They’re horrible even without the covid issue - condensation dripping down the windows …

    Also I’m guessing things will get better as the weather improves, doors open and outdooriness returns.

    Seems that is what likely drives the spate of seasonal illnesses associated with winter.



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    #43948
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860468#Comment_118860468

    Don't even stress it.

    There are a pile of nutjobs online (on both sides) who seem to think that govt can & will go "surprise" this evening and change their mind and bring back masks.

    Extending the legislation requires discussion and votes. Getting votes for that requires advice from the relevant public health people & bodies. None of whom are advising it.

    The advice for over a month now has been unwavering that mandatory mask legislation is no longer necessary. That's not going to magically change today.



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    #43949
    crossman47
    Registered Users Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭crossman47


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860054#Comment_118860054

    I don't know any hospital staff but you seem to have forgotten what they had to deal with when Covid first struck. Hospitals must have been terrible places to work.



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    #43950
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The issues in the health service here definitely exasperate it. We can’t go on with the absolute mess that is our “health system.”

    We are a very wealthy country and have been well capable of getting it right, certainly since the 1990s.

    It should be something that’s a major national embarrassment at this stage. It just can’t continue like this. It’s abysmal not be able to feel you can safely rely on it. Long before COVID I’ve had to put up with what I could only describe as grossly overcrowded conditions in A&E.

    It’s has just been allowed to drift along and there is really no excuse why our health system should be drastically less functional than our neighbours in the rest of the EU.

    I don’t even believe some of the bench marking based on experiences I’ve had and most of the people I know have had. It’s absolutely crap.

    I have talked to people who have literally given up jobs and gone back to the continent because of a couple of run ins with having to deal with our health system. Several people who returned to France, Spain and Germany included in that.

    A German friend of mine got pneumonia and was left on a chair in a corridor for nearly two days in an Irish hospital and that was long before covid. She never came back again after the experience.

    I’m dealing with stuff for an elderly relative or mine dealing with a long term cancer issue and while individuals in the system are great, she basically has to manage her own care. Every detail seems to get messed up - prescriptions don’t arrive, paperwork doesn’t arrive to support them, files go missing, clashing appointments are booked by the same department, hours and hours of hanging around. Right hand doesn’t know what left hand is doing. She spends her life chasing paperwork and promoting them to do stuff they continuously forget.

    At times it’s almost like you’re trying to interact with a coworking hub rather than a hospital. It’s like a bunch of freelancers breeze in and out and don’t talk to each other.



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    #43951
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Like I've seen saying since January:

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1509470624502136837?s=20&t=nFufg8NkSRTiW891ZFvliw

    Lads, the legislation is gone, the threat of masks is gone, the threat of any more restrictions in this pandemic is gone.

    What's not gone is public health advice. Now that masks and working from home are both feasible and acceptable, they will continue to be advised during future 'flu seasons, but nobody is going to force you to.



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