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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo



    This is baked into the emissions reduction commitments of every government and every large company at this stage.

    Not to be flippant but whilst the Agreement was lauded by world leaders, it has been criticised as insufficiently binding by some environmentalists and analysts. There is also a lot of debate about the effectiveness of the agreement.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Indeed. And is likely to be made more binding rather than fall away



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Incorrect and more disinformation The company responsible for tthe development of the Barryvoe oil and gas field have stated that

    "Providence plans to proceed with an appraisal well at the field in 2023, subject to ministerial approval, which could pave the way first production in 2026."

    But as detailed with the relevant Minister Mr Ryan whistling dixie whilst staring into the abyss - that first production date is being deliberately delayed



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    What it did do was to put a stop to anymore lunatic green party promoted legislation for that period.

    The sooner they are shown where the door is the better for the country as a whole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,732 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    That pretty much sums up most government contractors.. 🤔



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Really? I suggest you go back and check what happened between 2011 and 2020.

    COULD in other words they have no idea. Thanks for confirming I was right

    Plus the company behind the ballyroe sounds a tiny bit dodgy. Chinese involved and all sorts

    DO a search for Providence Resources and any government should run a mile.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/energy-and-resources/barryroe-oil-find-could-replace-state-s-dwindling-gas-reserves-says-providence-1.4308634



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    See below, plus while you are at it have a look at the company involved. Lots of complaints about government and dodgy companies, now we have people shouting out for them



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,960 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    People burning 100s of hectares of land and getting away with it

    Destroying the country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,960 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld





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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    See below what?

    Where you going to post a link?

    Im not really sure what your saying about this company?

    Post edited by tom1ie on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    And all the companies involved in the push for green are so squeaky clean? . You do know all this green solar stuff is manufactured in china?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Its Barryroe not "Ballyroe" btw

    Yeah at least we had a break from that lunacy during that period

    You said

    "If they get a license now it wil be 2026 before they will make a decision if it is viable. So it won't help anyone till probably 2030"

    The company have stated (less than a month ago)

    Providence plans to proceed with an appraisal well at the field in 2023, subject to ministerial approval, which could pave the way first production in 2026.

    So the "could" is Eamon getting his finger out and with production then targeted for 2026

    So the only way you might be "right" is if the feckwits in the green party continue to deliberatly delay the final permission for the extraction going ahead. Another reason to boot out the greens for holding the country to ransom.

    You really don't have a clue do you? The article you linked seems to be quite favourable stating that

    Barryroe oil find could replace State’s dwindling gas reserves.

    Thing that said the article is two years out of date. And no those who you refer to as the "Chinese" are not involved in the current development.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Being a realist I would not be very good at writing fiction i`m afraid. There are one or two here that should be able to help you out though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Your welcome.

    What consequences would there be ?

    Something similar to the consequences that Japan will suffer for not signing the COP26 agreement because they are keeping their option open on energy needs and are not just sticking with coal but opening new coal burning plants?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "It honestly looks like you haven't actually read up about the retrofit scheme. If you did, you would be aware that there will be thousands of homes getting upgrades every year at zero cost to the occupants if they can't afford it."

    Yes, we have read it and many rural people on relatively modest incomes realise that we will be screwed by carbon taxes in order to give free upgrades to mainly urban dwellers who are living off the largess of the same tax payer. The latter who have good public public transport and can avoid carbon taxes. It represents a transfer of wealth and will further drive the decline of rural Ireland. It's why the Greens are f***ed for the foreseeable future outside of the leafy suburbs of Dublin.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh we're back on Barryroe as being the saviour lol

    To be fair to Providence they have been actively trying to develop it for over a decade at this stage.

    It doesn't look like it's going to happen though as they've had investors pull out 3 times already, the most recent last April.

    Now they have left it to the last moment to get a lease for an "appraisal well" as they call it. The chances of this happening are about to be killed (open to correction on the this) by the bill going through the Dail at the moment which will stop the issuing of exploration licences. They are trying to get one before that happens.

    That this legislation has been on the cards for years and they didn't act until 4 months ago should tell you all you need to know about the management of this company, on the ball they ain't.

    Now they MIGHT get their ministerial approval but then they will need 65 million (according to them) for the appraisal well. They will need investors for that and their past history in attracting such folks has been pathetic to put it mildly.

    But let's say they get the cash, and do the appraisal. It will still be several years before the gas and oil would flow. Also, and I'm open to correction on this also, the Kinsale pipelines would not be available for use any longer as they will be fully decommissioned by the time anything happens at Barryroe.

    There's more to come on the Barryroe story but, really, it's not going to make much of a difference to anything whether it gets up and running or not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    According to the National Statistics Office there are 1.9M households in Ireland. There are somewhere around 0.6M with smart meters at present.

    Eamon was asked what did he intend doing to ease the immediate pressure on households of sky high electricity bills. A very disingenuous reply from him if as you are suggesting it will only apply to that 0.6M out of a total of 1.9M households don`t you think ?

    If that is the case then very difficult to not see it as coercion to force the remainder into getting smart meters.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's closer to 750k by the most recent reports



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Lol! How will it not make any difference?

    It would mean Ireland has its own supply of gas as opposed to depending on other countrys allowing gas onto our grid.

    This is fairly basic stuff.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Edit: There are 3 phases to developing oil and gas fields. These are: Exploration, Appraisal and Production stages

    The current application is not for an "exploration licence", the exploration of the gas field having already taken place - but is rather a oil and gas "lease" for discovered oil and gas reserves. The appraisal well is to determine the location of where the known reserves are best abstracted etc

    But yes more denial, deflection and outright misinformation there. Well done.

    So far on this thread we have had various claims from two posters:

    • Denying Ireland had any untapped gas reserves whatsoever

    • That if we have gas reserves they were not viable

    • That the companies involved were somehow "dodgy"

    • That the natural gas wouldn't come on stream before the Corrib field runs out in 2031 (not 2026) - even though we know we will need natural gas to provide energy generation for the next 30 years during the period of transition to renewable energy generation and beyond

    • The same green advocates who are apparently ignoring the recent statement from the company that

    Providence plans to proceed with an appraisal well at the field in 2023, subject to ministerial approval, which could pave the way first production in 2026.

    • The same who apparently have no knowledge that this project is being held up by the leader of the green party Mr Eamon Ryan who has failed to respond to the company in question regarding the lease required.

    And all that when the investment and exploration won't cost the country a penny in revenue.

    And on the slim chance that nothing comes of the exploration - the greens of course can claim they were right

    So what gives with this type of attack on utilising the countrys own natural reserves to help transition to renewables?

    You'd swear some greens are just delighted to see the country go down the drain and not an eyelid blinked regardless

    Post edited by Mecanudo on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Pretty funny that the idea that one should be nervously watching the clock when deciding whether to turn on the oven or not is somehow 'smart'.

    The green future is pretty crummy, isn't it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It does not seem that well "baked into" quite a few countries around the world.

    Far as I can see it`s a bit of an open book as to how you fulfill these commitments. There is no one plan fits all agreement and to me the Irish Green party are on a bit of a solo run hoping to get awarded best in class without a thought what that does to the economy or the ordinary Joe or Josephine soaps of the country.

    The rest of Europe is scrambling to make up the shortfall from Russian gas with LNG, with some building or extending their LNG terminals, where our bunch of idiots are attempting to pass legislation to ban LNG.

    You may see it differently, that is up to you, but for me a governments first and primary responsibility is the welfare of its own citizens.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,358 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    It might make other parties think again before ramming this green agenda down our necks.


    Tte Green Party been booted out might be the catalyst.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Clarification, it would mean Ireland would have a % of its supply.

    As was seen from Corrib, the first year or two that % might get to 40-50% after which it would drop steadily for the short life of the supply.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Pretty much sums up the green party as well with the ever rising costs from their policies and where we presently are on secure and reliable energy supply.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Is that the same China you are on here day and night pushing their solar panels manufactured using cheap dirt coal and slave labour ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭Amenhotep


    Boylann is talking about cross county charges in Ireland ? is this an april fools pisstake?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    So whats the problem? Along with a dedicated LNG terminal it will help provide for a safe, secure and reliable source of natural gas as needed for the 30 years of transition to renewable energy generation and beyond. Because as we we now know the Moffat gas pipeline from the UK no longer meets those criteria

    And its not as if it is our only known untapped natural gas reserve





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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    ………..which is better than depending 100% on foreign countries for your gas would you agree?



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