What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2022 11:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118865062#Comment_118865062

I'm genuinely searching for answers as to how Trump helped Putin out. Some flight treaty seems to be the extent of it, unless I'm mistaken.

You asked for one example and I provided it to you. it is not the only one. do you expect me to explain everything to you like I did about his immigration policy?

everlast75 · 01-04-2022 11:26AM

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Let's stick to immigration.

How do you square Trump's anti-immigration policy with hiring illegal immigrants?

01-04-2022 11:32AM

I'm not asking everything to be explained, just looking for a bit of material to underlay a term like "lapdog".

If I call Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders a fascist, I'm sure you would ask for examples to prove my point.

Leroy42 · 01-04-2022 11:42AM

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Again, the point being discussed is on what basis you think Trump should be voted for by anyone. Plenty of negatives have been pointed out, some of which you have acknowledged, so on that basis what is the reason that you to vote for him.

For myself, I do not see anything at all that would negate the clear evidence that he is simply not suitable for the job, and actually there is plenty of reason to believe that he might actually be damaging to the US as a whole. Sure you can pass of the insurrection as a joke, a few mindless yokels getting lost and a bit goofed up on red bull and making a nuisance, but the more evidence we see and hear, the missing phone logs, the situation room in the hotel, the SCOtUS wife texting the COS, Trump calling the people brave and patriots. Trump certainly didn't believe this was a joke, he praised those taking part.

But it happened, under his watch. He led the US to a situation where for the 1st time ever in its history, the democratic wish of the people was attempted to be overturned by the minority. That seems like quite a risky avenue to go down and, whether you blame Trump for it or not, there is the very real possibility that were he to be voted in again it would happen again.

I just cannot see what potential upside there is to voting for Trump that would warrant taking on such a risk.

01-04-2022 11:43AM

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TL;DR sorry man it's exhausting trying to read that.

01-04-2022 11:48AM

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It's hypocrisy, but I think like most people who are against illegal immigration, Trump is more concerned with the future than the past. He's not proposing to go around with pick up trucks and nets to try and scoop up all the Mexicans and turf them all out of the country. It's more about preventing an already bad situation from getting worse - by properly enforcing the law and the border.

But to answer your point, it's hypocrisy.

Let me ask you a question about the same thing. Do you give some credit to Trump for hiring illegals rather than informing on them and getting them kicked out of the US?

Tony EH · 01-04-2022 11:51AM

@[Deleted User] I mean Afghanistan was superbly handled and was in no way a historic embarrassment.

Afghanistan was always going to be a nightmare no matter who's watch it happened under, because Trump's plan was a farce. The only thing differently that would have happened under Trump is that it would have occurred 4 months earlier than it did.

01-04-2022 11:51AM

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I think all elections, especially in the 2-party system of the US, involve some compromise and some swallowing of uncomfortable things in order to get things done. It's like saying that voting for Bill Clinton was an endorsement of his personality and sexual behaviour. It wasn't that, it was a glance around at the alternatives and then picking the least bad option.

Detritus70 · 01-04-2022 12:05PM

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One of Trump's failures is that he described himself as a dealmaker and a shrewd operator.

It turned out that he is a wannabe tinpot dictator who just barks orders at underlings and expects everyone to just immediately jump to attention.

He was let loose in a political environment where his legendary dealmaking abilities would have enabled him to bring people onboard with his vision but it turned out that he has no such ability whatsoever. As soon as his demands aren't met, he throws a strop and storms out the room like the big toddler he is.

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2022 12:07PM

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the only future he is concerned with is his own. how anybody think he was suitable to be president is beyond me.

Quin_Dub · 01-04-2022 12:30PM

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As has been pointed out by many already , his border policies failed - badly.

2017 was the only year that there were less border crossings than under ANY previous administration in the last 20 years, and that was only marginally so.

2019 was the highest in over a decade in terms of illegal crossings.

The existence of the Wall or not is largely immaterial to Border policy - The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are people who over-stay their visas. And of those actually detained "at the border" the vast majority are initially intercepted at official border crossings not caught wading across the Rio Grande.

Trumps policies failed utterly and his inability to build a wall had little or nothing to do with it.

The spike in 2021 can largely be attributed to a release of pent up demand as it were, following the severe global Covid restrictions in 2020.

As I have said before , I can see the reason for people voting for Trump in 2016 - Lots of Promises to be different and avoid the pitfalls of previous administrations etc.

I could see why some would view him as "worth a shot" for a vote in 2016

But, once elected we had 4 years of incompetence and self-serving corruption from Trump so the reasons from 2016 are simply no longer there.

We know exactly how corrupt he is , we know exactly how incompetent he is , we know exactly how utterly disinterested his is in anything other than self aggrandisement and self-gratification.

There are no more "reasons" for continued support for Donald Trump other than actually liking the man for what he is.

By all means support "Conservative" policies but please don't tell us that that's the reason people still support Trump over literally ANY other potential GOP candidate.

01-04-2022 01:13PM

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See, this analysis I don't disagree with. And yet, I still think he is the least bad option.

Look at the alternatives in the past 2 elections - Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. Both extremely flawed characters who are very embedded within the corrupt failed system. A lot of people look at the straight choice and think that Trump, for all his flaws, represents the lesser of two evils. Only a fool would think that a vote for Trump represents a vote for every single thing he says or does.

01-04-2022 01:18PM

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Be honest though, he is Box Office, whether you love him or hate him. The 4 years of his presidency were pretty entertaining and consequential.

By contrast the word that comes to mind under the Biden regime is - SAD!

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2022 01:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118865661#Comment_118865661

and there we have it. you only care about entertainment and "owning the libs". you don't give a fig about policies. You certainly don't understand them. thank you for clarifying that you are not capable of a serious discussion.

Igotadose · 01-04-2022 01:28PM

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So, it's just about the lulz, then? And Trump's sadism in office was 'pretty entertaining?' Fortunately, his own laziness and incompetence kept him from getting reelected - imagine if he tried to do a good job with the Covid pandemic instead of the s**tshow he ran. Fortunately, again, the scientists bailed us all out with the rapid vaccine rollout.

Detritus70 · 01-04-2022 01:31PM

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The last four years have shown Trump to be the very worst option by far. Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are fairly standard career politicians and that's actually a good thing.

Would you hire a horse trainer to redo the electrics in your house because you hired bad electricians in the past? That's exactly what's wrong with Trump and everyone who voted for him.

It was basically a case of "hey, vote for me, I haven't got a Bollocks clue what I'm doing, what have you got to lose?"

And when it turned out that having a clue about your job, being able to wheel and deal, getting on with people and getting them onboard with your plan are important skills that Trump didn't possess, most normal, decent, intelligent people turned away from him.

There are still people who seem to say "no wait, vote him in again, I wanna see how badly he can fcuk this up".

The world is not reality TV. Having skills and experience counts. Politics is not Dancing with the Stars and never should be. Most Yanks have forgotten that because their brains are rotten from reality TV.

01-04-2022 01:36PM

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Haha it was a tongue in cheek post after my immediately previous post which serious attempt to explain why people voted for him. It's got nothing to do with "owning the libs" and everything to do with resetting the global order and an attempt to try and course correct away from open borders, Davos, globalist and failed neo-liberal agendas. To try and build American manufacturing rather than simply allowing everything to be offshore to China who gobble up every bit of intellectual property and use it to compete with, and undermine, America.

It's also got something to do with wanting to vote for somebody who is willing to stand up against the strangulation of political correctness, with it's desire for idealogical purity and ability to break lives apart for the non-believers.

01-04-2022 01:39PM

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I'll admit that the lulz is a part of it but just a tiny part. The guy has charisma even if he lacks charm. He is entertaining. News outlets like CNN did their best business and highest viewers whenever his name was mentioned. His supporters and his enemies were all drawn to him like drug addicts. Yes, it was entertaining. I would say the same thing about 9/11 - doesn't mean I support 9/11 or thought it was funny - I just mean it was capitivating. Biden.......not so much.

ohnonotgmail · 01-04-2022 01:39PM

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"Ha ha I was only joking". sure.

01-04-2022 01:55PM

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Politics is very different from electrical repair. Otherwise someone like Kamal Harris wouldn't be doing it.

I think we can all agree that if the system worked as it was intended to, Trump would not have been within an a$$'s roar of the White House. I think it should the disillusionment with a rotten, corrupt system, that people still felt that voting for Trump was a better option. It's not that Trump was qualified, competent or ready to be President. It's that the alternatives were too depressing that people voted for him. I mean anyone who voted for Biden but now worries about his cognitive decline deserves everything they get. It was plain as day on the campaign trail that he had lost his marbles. I'd love to know what combination of drugs they gave him to get him through the debates because it worked and he wasn't embarrassed.

And I disagree, politics is reality TV. It is showbiz for ugly people. It's why Ronald Reagan was president for 8 years. Schwarzenegger. Jesse the Body Ventura. None of these people were particularly qualified either. Enda Kenny was a primary school teacher. There are no professional qualifications to be a politician. All you need is a set of principles and an ability to communicate and connect with voters, which Trump had.

Christy42 · 01-04-2022 02:35PM

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Trump is very much pro political correctness. As are his supporters and people you mentioned like Orban. They want to change who gets protected by political correctness but it is the same thing. People were all over Biden for saying that Putin shouldn't remain in power. Not because they didn't believe it but because it wasn't politically correct. Orban and many others that Trump admires have stymied the press in their countries from saying anything they don't deem politically correct.

Republicans called for a boycott of Hamilton due to the actors saying things they deemed not politcally correct. Trump himself spearheaded multiple boycotts for companies that didn't agree with him. I mean the boycotts never got public support but he tried. Trump didn't believe it politically correct to kneel for the anthem.

Detritus70 · 01-04-2022 02:44PM

"Trump was the better option".

He never was and never will be and morons who think he is, are what's wrong with the world.

I'm not a politician, I don't have to build bridges, I can call it as I see it. Sounds familiar?

01-04-2022 03:01PM

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How staggeringly disingenuous. OK so you are re-defining political correctness to how you see fit. I think most reasonable people can agree on what political correctness really is.

It's like saying climate change is nothing new, because the climate changes every day. Some days it rains, some days it is sunny. Nothing to do with humans.

Manach · 01-04-2022 03:05PM

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And I find that those like yourself who blindiy follow establishment politicians in the hope that somehow they have your best interests at heart are unfortunately typical of the blind liberal nativity that has infested Irish society and board for the based few decades.

Igotadose · 01-04-2022 03:06PM

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So, give us your definition of political correctness. And how preventing the use of the term 'climate change' in, for example, documents published by the US Department of Agriculture under Trump https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/aug/07/usda-climate-change-language-censorship-emails isn't political correctness taken to the extreme?

01-04-2022 03:31PM

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Yes, he was.

I fail to see the merits of the likes of Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. They are like Merkel, they are somehow seen as a safe pair of hands, the image of being sensible, until you look at their track records.

01-04-2022 03:35PM

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I'll copy/paste from Wikipedia and say I think it broadly gives an accurate description of what most people consider to be political correctness:

Political correctness (adjectivally: politically correct; commonly abbreviated PC) is a term used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society.

"Political correctness" is a label typically used to describe liberal terms and actions, but rarely used for analogous attempts to mold language and behavior on the right.

https://www.cjr.org/criticism/political-correctness-journalism.php?curator=MediaREDEF