Why KIA are the new Toyota.

Can't comment on Kia/Hyundai's that are now ten years old but the anti perforation warranty period for all current Kia models is 144 months (12 years) /unlimited mileage.

Yeah, don't get the rush away from the dealer network. Have had my last two cars and will have current serviced at the main dealers. Can decide to have any additional work that is identified done there or get it priced elsewhere if quotation is high.

Indeed. With a lot of brands it doesn't actually make a lot of sense to leave the network but the Koreans have got aftersales arseways.

A full service on a diesel Kona is €410, genuine front brake pads and discs fitted is €515.

A full service on a T-Roc by comparison is €299 and front brake pads and discs €249.

Madness, Ted, how nobody has had a look at that.

What’s your favourite car you’ve driven yourself so far? Are you driving a sportage now as well.

If your going to spend money on high maintenance costs at least buy a decent car and not waste it on a horrible kia or hyundai

irish people couldnt be rushing away from main dealer networks with kias and hyundais and there 7/5 year warranties .

Theres no way either brand are covering all they are supposed to be covering under warranty if joe public is getting car serviced / repaired at his local garage - i dont care what EU block exemption rules were brought in.

What are ya driving yourself at the minute?

I'd be inclined to lump Kia and Hyundai into the one for the most part. Looks wise in my eyes they have generally tended to be inoffensive to me. Anytime that it seemed that they try to get a bit edgy with their designs such as the original Hyundai Coupe, I40, Optima I may have looked at them initially and said hmm, that's a bit different. But they aren't very timeless or even graceful looking and tend to age very quickly. The I40 in particular looks pretty dated in my eyes considering it was released in 2011. That Kia EV6, hardly offensive looking at the front, could be any other modern SUV but horrendously flabby and silly looking rear, that won't age well I suspect.

Body styling wouldn't be high up my list of priorities when it comes to cars though. Build quality, longevity and ease of ownership would be high up there though and I just feel Kia or Hyundai don't fare well in these categories, albeit based on anecdotal evidence from online or speaking to people in person who have owned them. Cousin had a Sonata which was a basket case with the rust. It wasn't extremely old when the rust sent it to the crusher. An ex work colleague had an I40 that gave him nothing but trouble. I was in the back of another ex work colleagues Kia Soul once. Smacked of very poor build quality, cheap materials and tinny. Looked a bit silly too. Aim was likely to look different but a good example of where different doesn't always mean good.

I get the impression that AMKC's Dad does the driving and that they're merely a passenger.

Central locking on a Renault 19 was kind of pointless as the door locks used to fail the first sign of frost, their electric windows and sunroofs were well known for opening and staying open. 90s Renaults were awful,

His popularity is so hard to understand.

It is all in the way he moves those arms.