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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well, the words Nuclear Strike are being bandied about often enough recently from the Russian side. They have already excused themselves from the pledge of not being the first to use nuclear weapons, so it all depends on what circumstances they would consider as being "qualifying" for them to be first to go nuclear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Could private interests buy planes for Ukraine, if other countries won’t provide them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭scotchy


    Was just about to post the same. Imagine if Theresa May was still PM.

    I think Boris see's this as an opportunity to be a modern day version of his hero Winston Churchill.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,574 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




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    That depends on how you use it it

    Its first of all infantry transport,meaning mobility for the Ukrainian forces to get rapid depolyments where needed.

    And when using it in combat without infantry support like Russians are doing,then it becomes a coffin on tracks



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,468 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Boris sees this as a "don't look at me" moment



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Ambassador Filatov is upset that there is a war in Ukraine (started by Kyiv) and that the Irish Times is damaging the positive relations between Ireland and Russia. The Russian military does not target civilians, but is instead shielding them from neo-nazis. And other similar lies.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/cynicism-hypocrisy-and-lies-1.4842257



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,468 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Nice to see he is still keeping his finger on the pulse of the nation and the world - how this guy is still allowed to be in Ireland is beyond me



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I thought you weren't supposed to call it a war, is that 15 years for Filatov now?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    There gonna be a gofundme for F35's next?

    Private entities can't just buy jet fighters off countries like ordering **** off amazon.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,574 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I agree 100%. Boris is doing this out of political expediency, there can be no doubt. But at least he's on the right side of history on this one (for once).

    The contrast with France and Germany couldn't be more different.

    Macron at this moment is still trying to negotiate with Putin. The French contribution to the Ukraine war effort is an embarrassment, especially consider the arms industry that is effectively sponsored by the French government. Macron fired the head of military intelligence yesterday, it's clear these people were completely caught off guard by this war. Their response has been Neville Chamberlain appeasement. The killing thing is Macron isn't even the worst. Some within France are actively seeking to ally the country with Russia. Marine Le Pen (see below) is only polling marginally behind Macron in the polls for the forthcoming election.

    Germany is slightly better, but only very slightly. Instead of giving nothing like France, they are at least giving something, even if something are relics from the East German army that have been held in cold storage for 20 years. Unfortunately, Germany has its own sleaze problem with Russia. Former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder (see below) who sold German natural gas interests to the Russian government now happens to find himself a director of Russian state government company Gazrom. At this very moment, he and his wife are in Moscow. Where do his interest align. Is it with Germany and the West, or is it with Vladimir Putin? There's no conflict of interest there whatsoever, amirite?

    The people who are actually contributing most are the ones that understand what is at risk most. Former Eastern Bloc countries. These people were offered the free choice between alignment with the west and Russia. These are the people who are most violently at opposition with Russia. They understand that freedom is at stake.

    The influence of Russian money has infected all of Europe. Unfortunately, it seems to have affected the heart of Europe even more so. While Ireland cannot control the actions of France or Germany, we do have control over our own destiny.

    Your voice has a direct impact on our local constituency office. You can write to your local TD and inform them of your dissatisfaction on how Ireland is conducting itself. While I certainly applaud our efforts on the humanitarian front, our effort on actually protecting a fledgling democracy is falling flat on its face.

    We have something better to offer than a refugee shelter for displaced victims of a war that those people never asked for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    China is casting itself as a firm friend to Russia, is blaming NATO for provoking the war, and is — according to EU officials — considering sending military support to Putin's troops in Ukraine. 

    That is a very concerning development.





  • China knew about this war before it started, and were waiting till the end of the winter olympics before starting it. Russia was expected to win it in a few days. Its now turned into a proxy war. The chinese are not to be trusted, they are replaying the russian propaganda on their news.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    To be fair to China its probably the smart thing for them to do right now, military aid that is not military personnel. They don't need to have a weak authorian Russia beside them who has been humbled by Ukraine and the west and is set back probably 10 to 20 years. I think China realises the longer this war goes on the better as all eyes will be on Russia and let's them build up their military for more then likely their invasion of Taiwan down the line. Let America and the west be preoccupied with Ukraine and Russia and less what China is doing. I think China realises once this is over calls might be made to supply Taiwan with billions of dollars in military equipment on top of what there getting. Imagine if tens of thousands of stingers and javelin missiles were supplied to Taiwan it would probably stop a Chinese invasion from getting off the beaches as you can see how deadly they are been used against the Russian military. All eyes will turn to authorian China after Russia and I think the Chinese are waking up to this now.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    @Malaysia Lively Certificate - The chinese are not to be trusted, they are replaying the russian propaganda on their news.


    China are not going to get involved any time soon. Their economy would collapse should Western countries cease trade with them. For example 15% of US trade alone is with China.

    There's plenty of whispers about, but it would be suicide for China to become embroiled in a war that has nothing to do with them, and that could then quickly escalate into a global conflict. And they know this. Xi Jingping is a lot shrewder and much more astute than Putin will ever be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Now is this a reiteration of a previous commitment or is it new? They were promised 100 switcblade drones previously and I thought then that 4 times that number would have been more like it. If this is more, why didn't they send them previously instead of this dribs a nd drabs approach?

    Further down that thread someone posted an insane inventory of what the US left behind in Afghanistan. They were possibly more generous to the Talibabn than Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 799 ✭✭✭CB19Kevo


    Not one bit worried about damaging relations with Russia, Worried that we have not stopped relations with Russia!

    Russia have made the choice to do evil, lets not engage with such people and instead focus all our energy on helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭scotchy


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    Looks like Ukraines special forces are on sabotage duties again,this time using IEDs




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It depends on the contract under which the equipment was provided. It is extremely common in arms deals to have some form of limitation that there will be no further sale without the permission of the originating government.

    Of course, that sort of thing is only actionable after the fact in court.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,908 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Well they were involved..

    Having launched a heap load of cyber attacks across Ukraine services and infrastructure in February before and during start of the war.

    So looks like the have thrown in their lot already. They're never sending troops because that's not the Chinese way. It will be money and trade assistance



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    They might already be "embroiled" as it appears the cyber attack on Ukraine civil and defence systems at the commencement of the invasion was of Chinese origin.


    As someone already posted the war with authoritarian regimes has been under way for some time. The West has chosen to ignore it and any incendiary utterances made by Moskow or Beijing. It's long past time to get the finger out. China are well fit to stand on their own now without the West anyway so let them at it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    When it comes to foreign policy matters it’s about power not good or evil, just making them weak and us strong. This is the way of things all major powers play this game and by those rules.



  • Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    It's all about the money.

    China will not risk sanctions and financial repercussions by alienating their biggest markets.China are just flexing some muscle but won't fully back the Russians.

    It's all about the money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    China still get preferential treatment due to being classed as a developing country by WTO.

    we really should be focusing on moving manufacturing out of there.

    there are countries in the EU that aren’t massively expensive to manufacture and could use the boost or the increase in wages and living standards that big manufacturing companies can bring.

    even if stuff gets more expensive then so be it, the money will staying in the Economy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Nobody knows what China will do. All this talk of economic suicide needs to be balanced with the fact it would be similarly devastating for western economies.

    Similar to the current game of chicken over pay in rubles or we turn off the taps. Both sides lose.



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