"Green" policies are destroying this country

You're saying that people you don't agree with are likley mean people who don't give to charity?

Thats a bit of a leap to be fair

Anyway certainly Ireland can do something, but the fact is without the big five countries severely limiting their greenhouse emissions the climate is fcuked regardless.

1. China (9,300 Mt)
2. The United States (4,800 Mt)
3. India (2,200 Mt)
4. Russia (1,500 Mt)
5. Japan (1,100 Mt)

And looking at most countries in that list, I think that's looking highly unlikely at this stage 🙁

Even if climate change wasn't real, it makes sense for Ireland and the rest of the world to end reliance on fossil fuels that are often controlled by tyrannical and despotic regimes

And the nonsense about us changing our reliance to buying Chinese pv cells, we're not reliant on China, we're using China because they're cheap. PV can be manufactured anywhere if we need to.

It seems you have no idea on how electricity is priced.

Irelands wholesale price of electricity is determined by the marginal price policy. This "cheap cost of renewables" you mention does not make a blind bit of difference to the price. We are charged at the going rate for gas and if renewables made up 90% that would not change.

Explain it to me then.

Wind gets calm in the winter for relatively long periods and we have limited solar then. we have no wave or tidal.

Where are you getting the renewable from then?

Spell it out to me and the others on here who clearly don’t understand how it works?

This is your chance.

Agreed however we need a plan to actually do this.

The thing is those "tyrannical and despotic regimes" are forging ahead and they don't give a fcuk about the climate regardless. In the period of transition to renewable energy production the EU and others have acknowledged that natural gas will be a transition fuel for the next 20 to 30 years. We need to look to our own natural resources.

“A number of small gas fields similar to Corrib, coming on stream gradually over the next decade could see Ireland becoming self-sufficient in gas as we transition to a low carbon future. However, as it takes several years to bring a new field on stream it is essential that the exploration momentum that now exists is enhanced. To ensure that Ireland is not to be reliant again on imports for our future energy needs, we need to continue our offshore exploration.

In addition, utilisation of depleted gas fields could be an important part of the future solution for long termsafe storage of Ireland’s CO2 emissions, if action is taken soon”.

Pat Shannon, Chair Irish Offshore Operators’ Association.

Btw I never mentioned that we're "reliant" on China. But yes countries around the world are certainly buying Chinese goods because they're cheaper than what they can produce themselves. But the big red flag with buying things like solar panels from places like China should not be whether they're cheap or not but rather that these goods are being made by an industry using huge amounts of electricity from coal fired power stations. For anyone looking to go green and move to sustainable methods of energy production- that should be a big N O

PV can be manufactured anywhere if we need to.

Really? How about making them in Ireland?

Who is going to recover and process the raw materials needed in the manufacture of solar panels? This is all energy intensive manufacturing and many of the materials used are highly toxic. The panels only last about 25 to 30 years becoming less and less efficient over that time, they must be disposed. Where will we send them? Why are the government not rushing to setup a recycling centre of excellence here in Ireland to reprocess all those panels worldwide that have reached end of life? Imagine all the green jobs we can create from the circular economy. Recycling solar panels is Irelands opportunity to get serious and showcase its green credentials to the world by taking toxic material and reusing it. Or we can go through the motions of putting everything in the recycle bag just to be burned or exported to 3rd world countries or to use new politically correct term the global south?

So, we invest countless billions into wind, sun, tidal, methane etc. and while we wait for a mix of those to somehow give us reliable dependable 100% cover, we invest nothing to ensure we have a secure energy source to get us to that magical day.

Not meaning to burst your fantasy bubble here, but do you really not see the major hole in that plan ?

That may be, but at 96% reliable, nuclear is sure dam closer than whirly things, which require less fossil fuel backup that any renewable source, except hydro.

I'll bet people who can scarcely make ends meet wouldn't agree with you.

Lol. As detailed I have clarified the policy of the EU Marginal Price structure that you and some others here seem to be either ignorant of that policy or are choosing to be deliberately so. So point out which bit you don't believe is factual or go jump. And no I'm not facilitating your efforts at whataboutery.

But to quote you're own words

"you don’t have a bull bollix notion of what you’re on about, a red top reading shite shovelling spoofer"

Take a look at your posting history in this thread. Like that piece of invective. It's a fcuking disgrace.

the grant is actually an exceptionally good idea, i.e. using the governments ability to create money by borrowing, and giving it to citizens to help fulfil their needs, this helps to increase the velocity of the money supply, which in turn helps to maintain economic activities. theres actually nothing stopping the government from borrowing even more, to help advance our creation of renewable networks, only thing stopping them is their ideologies..... a wind farm can be up and running in a couple of years, and be paid back within a few years, under current borrowing conditions.....