When will Comedy End?

I don't t think we have to agree to disagree that monkey has become an overtly offensive, racist term for black people. Nor should we agree to disagree that it wasn't as offensive when the show was made.

Maybe everyone should go research the social and cultural zeitgeist of every old show they watch to fully appreciate the nuances and how things have changed over time. I think that's unlikely to happen and a note that puts co text to it is a small compromise. We can probably agree to disagree that even a small compromise is too much for some people

Sure. The tag to put it in its cultural context is the best solution. Allows the art to be appreciated with te intention of the creators.

I don't think many calling to cancel OFAH, are they?

Even putting a tag on it to give it a tiny bit of cultural context, is too much? Are you sure that being completely inflexible is the solution?

Edit: I think you're addressing the second part about whether many are calling for OFAH to be cancelled and not the bit about a tag being a good compromise. If so then I'd agree. I'm not suggesting editing it. Leave it as it is but putting a tag places it in some context. OFAH was very woke (or is it pronounced WOKE?) for its day. Even the theme tune suggests they don't discriminate - they'll scam everyone equally.

Yes that's the whole point of the joke. That it is racist and he is trying to show he is not racist and keeps doing racist things.

Are you cross about using 'the n word' instead of the actual word because of the concept of the actual word and the offence it causes or because people have come up with a way of discussing the concept while differentiating between those who want to cause offence and those who don't?

Could you expand on why the attempt to use an agreed non-offensive term to discuss the concept makes you more cross than the agreed offensive term?

I'm not saying the episode is racist. I am saying that episode of father Ted is lampooning racist behaviour. Dermot Morgans character is acting racist. That is the joke. That he is caught acting racist the nazi books the Hitler pose and raised arm, putting a lampshade on his head the squinted eye effect. The gibberish to sound like Chinese. Those are racist acts all while trying desperately not to be thought of as racist.

It is lampooning actual racists and the oh I'm not racist defense.

Roasts are consensual though. That's significant.

Does anyone know when the roast, as depicted above, started? Have they always been around or are they a new thing?

You can respect the rights of minoritys, women, lgbt groups , while still having a sense of humour. Theres plenty of good comedys being made right now

Society changes.attitudes change. There are more women comedians on tv doing stand-up. Some of the most successful comedy writers are women like Tina fey mindy kaling. Comedy is changing to reflect real life comedys sitcoms now feature more lgbt characters without it being the focus of the story iike modern family eg it's not portrayed as a negative trait or in an over the top campy style the white middle class man is no longer the default

main character in sitcoms or dramas having more diverse characters means theres as space for a wider range of storys to be told there are more dramas and comedys with black and minority characters

But show business is a business if a program gets good ratings it'll get renewed low ratings it gets cancelled

Comedy is like gaming its constantly changing as it reflects public demand taste and new ways to reach an audience with streaming channels theres probably more tv shows being made than ever before

There's alot of old forgotten programs that are no longer screened or broadcast because the content is so racist or sexist or insulting to minority groups eg one example black and white minstrel show from the bbc

I don't think that's a bad thing most old books are forgotten as they have no artistic or entertainment value to the modern reader

theres more sitcoms being made than ever before ,theres loads of comedy podcasts, people still watch friends ,the office , and old comedys even though some of the jokes are not politically correct.comedy is like music ,every generation makes its own content, theres hardly any rock music being made, there seems to be no more irish trad folk groups. every older person thinks music ,tv,film, were better when i was a teenager .i don,t think its a problem that comedy is more diverse, with more female and minority groups represented. i don,t think its sad that comedians don,t make jokes about mother in laws, or sexist racist jokes are no longer acceptable.

right now theres not many big budget film comedys being made .

It's where the money and power is.

50 years ago Frankie would have been kneeling to the Bishop while fighting the system.

Woke is not knew, mindset the same, topic different.

It's the latest manifestation of a highly righteous middle class morality.

Archbishop McQuaid would be talking about solidarity and equity today and still be the same boll0x he was in the 50s

Comedy won't die. Comedians are just going to have to be clever and more observant. The shock jokes and toilet humour aren't enough any more.

Depends what you mean being “more diverse”. If they all have the same worldview, then it’s lacking diversity of thought.

And it’s easy to stereotype being cancelled as just “sexist racist” jokes. But it’s deeper than that. Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock aren’t the typical sexist far-right white supremicists, but since at least 2014 they say they won’t play US colleges any more as the students are too intolerant.

Not my experience of comedians in college in Ireland in the year 2000.

That person should never receive another vote ever again.

I had no idea who he was about two years ago, and went googling because he was so bad. I guessed incorrectly that he was related to somebody involved in TV or the comedy business etc.

It turns out he was roommates with Jon Richardson during college, found out that Jon Richardson wanted to be a comedian and decided it would be easy to get in to and so that would be what he would do too.

Possibly the unfunniest fûcker on TV and he’s all over it… why ? 😠😏

I don’t think in 2022 the job of a mainstream comedian is to be funny, more to be amusing, ‘relevant’ and relatable to their audience… ohh, and inclusive 🤪

God help Billy Connolly if he ever had to try and make it now, he’d be cancelled before he even got the mic off of the fûcking stand.

actually, he can tell you himself..

Is this the bit you're talking about? I watched the first 5 mins and it had a stand-up bit about current affairs, aren't wives awful, fame is a double edged sword, talent shows and woke killed comedy.

You don't think that's trying to be current or relevant? Woke is the most current iteration of the culture war from the right wing perspective.

People often site old comedy like only fools and horses as being timeless and not part of the current trend of being lefty or current. But that's total nonsense. The writer John O Sullivan described it as being about a community of people who were marginalised and failed by governments and now work in illegal trade to make a living. It was explicitly anti-Thatcher.

But that gets lost so now peoppe look at it and think it wasn't trying to be current when it explicitly and obviously was.

I just gave an example of a classic comedy which was explicitly political. The comedy skit you referenced with Jim Davidson was explicitly political in parts including the opening 3 stand-up jokes and the parts about WOKE. I only watched the first 5 minutes and I saw those things. How did you watch it and not notice them?

When you say they left politics at the door, do you mean they only discussed politics you agree with?