Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

The only place extreme pro-vaxxers live is in your head, fortunately.

Still waiting for you to post an example of an 'extreme pro-vaxxer' post here. It's been awhile, and obviously you now have time to be here. Snap, snap!

Hmm I wonder why the magic jabs that the media are having wet dreams about don’t magically prevent it , oh wait you can still get it even if vaccinated.

Interesting and coincidental how your anecdote corresponds with your extreme views

You claimed all scientific papers were junk, so I'll take that anecdote with a pinch of salt.

So, no examples then. Thanks.

I've been here since the start of the thread, thanks. You may be surprised to know that anti-vaxxers and the "I'm just concerned about vaccines" types are pretty much one in the same, and they typically produce the same anti-vax talking points.

For example, you mention Israel's relatively high death rate from Covid, the below took 10 seconds for me to find.

Highlighting the relevant part:

"So what is happening? Why should a country that is so well vaccinated still be suffering like this?

According to experts, there are a number of answers. First, although Israel’s headline vaccination rate once sat at the top of global vaccine charts, it has gradually slipped down to a middling position.

But more importantly, perhaps, vaccination rates among the vulnerable are not as good as they might be. While in the UK nearly all the most vulnerable are fully vaccinated, in Israel 10 per cent or more of the over 60s remain unprotected.

Another issue is that - like here - the omicron wave has been dramatic. “Israel has basically let Omicron rip, eschewing almost all the layers of protections we had including PCR testing, quarantine for contacts of infected etc”, one local expert told the Telegraph..

Barak Raveh, an assistant professor of biological modelling at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said the number of those unvaccinated and the omnipotence of omicron only provided a “partial explanation”. The waning of initial vaccinations also helped explain why, of 822 deaths recorded since the start of the year, only 293 were unvaccinated, he said.

“I do not mean to suggest the vaccine is ineffective at all - it is still 90 per cent effective if we normalize by population size. But what I think happened is some attrition in the effect of August’s booster shots”, said Dr Raveh.

"Israel was the first to provide them back in August, and their effect may have waned considerably. It was believed at first that this affected only infection rates, but apparently, it also caused more cases of severe disease"."

The uptake of the fourth vaccine dose to combat this waning has also been poor.

“Israel was the first country to authorise a fourth dose back in early January to both medical staff and the elderly, but only half of those eligible took it, in part because early reports about its effectiveness were mixed,” said Dr Raveh.

In fact, a fourth dose turns out to be incredibly effective. Recent real-world data from Israel shows it leads to a 4.3-fold decrease in severe disease in the over 60s, compared to a third dose given more than four months earlier.

“Giving the fourth dose to individuals who were at risk of developing severe disease has been instrumental in limiting the burden on hospitals in Israel during the fast and wide-spreading Omicron surge”, said the study’s authors."

Makes sense to me why Israel are having these issues. The same is happening in Malta also. Keep in mind Israel's rate (total) vaccination rate is around 66%. In comparison, e.g. Ireland, is 81%.

If you genuinely have difficulty finding this easy-to-find information. Okay, it happens. If you have some agenda whereby you don't look for it or don't want to accept any answers, that's something else entirely and is very common in this particular thread.

And a question dodger, and a liar. You haven’t provided examples from this thread.

It appears to me your mask is slipping, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt for now (this forum has been CHOCK FULL of people "pretending" to just have questions about vaccines or "not get" certain things and the veil slips and they turn out to be full on vaccine-deniers)

You asked this question: "So explain Israels death rate from Covid?"

I highlighted an article which explains it. It's not hard to find. If you want another article, I can provide another.

e.g. here's another explanation

If you don't accept it, explain why not.

However people who genuinely want information don't come to conspiracy theory forums. They come here to mess around. As mentioned I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt for now.

Just on children and vaccines, children have a very low chance of having very severe symptoms from COVID, the vaccines turn this risk into a negligible risk. The risk/reward for the riskiest group for vaccines (young males) is 250:1, for other groups, the risk is much much lower.

What the anti-vaxxer loons keep on doing is treating their own personal experience as the general experience, COVID has a low death rate and a low rate for severe symptons outside of the elderly or underlying conditions, but the risk is not negligible, the chances of someone being fine after contracting SARS-COV2 is high, their chances after getting a vaccines are much much higher.

it also feels like there's a few posting who want to just bubble over and call the whole thing a hoax, so they reveal themselves in the odd sentence or two (and never have any data to back up anything bar moon worship type stupidity).