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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    The greens couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery here 😁

    But seriously I'm all for bikes, but I reckon to replicate the Netherlands which has a very high density of people and vast areas of urban development, but more importantly is very very flat. To successfully replicate that we will need to bulldoze the mountains and hills, fill in the bogs and start building ASAP ;)

    "the problem with this is the Irish people"

    "That's the level of intelligence you are working with."

    Wow. You really like people in Ireland! It would really make one wonder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    First sentence "This is discussion"

    Nearly 3 weeks now you are asking the same question and ignoring the answer . That is not a discussion.

    A quick scan over the rest of the post and you just repeated what was already asked and answered multiple times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Lol. Nope. Many posters have pointed out the flaws and inconsistencies with your various comments. See my last comment for a continuation of that. But more importantly, It's not the question and answer exercise you bizarrely seem to think it is.

    Other posters have not being asking you "questions" to avail of any presumed god like omni knowledge, where you "answer questions" for them and that's somehow the defacto answer! But rather many posters have gone in to incredible detail to show how your personal logic with regards renewables simply fails to stand up to scrutiny.

    The bizarre thing is your present stance completely and utterly ignores the current EU policy on the transition to renewables and the essential need for gas including LNG and nuclear in that transition.

    What gives? Do you really believe you know more about this issue , not only of all those here but also of the various experts and legislators in this area? Seriously?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    I love the Irish people but we have huge issues in terms of exercise etc. Nice pulling out section of the post, you didn't pull out the bit about the kids then cycling to school

    Well it certainly doesn't seem that way from your comment and I'll quote again

    the problem with this is the Irish people

    That's the level of intelligence you are working with.

    But what about the children cycling to school? Don't tell me you don't like them now as well?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    As has been explained to you tens of times we need a secure supply of gas to transition to 100% renewable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    And the post I directed you to answered that when you asked it the last time.

    Please can you explain to me why you are asking the same question almost daily after it has been answered to YOU and you are quoted



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Three poster, the same three who have struggled for weeks now on the same topic. Not many posters

    Many poster have pointed out to the same three posters the same things I have yet we are still here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The Commission for Regulation of Utilities (CRU) gets the weakness and limitations of the wind & solar mania and the risks it opens. The virtue signalling politicians include the scion of a family dynasty and a woke university representative. FYI. The recent "record temperatures" headlines were from computer models, the activists confused fiction for reality. I'll bet Mr. O'Sullivan does not even know the mean temperate in Ireland over the course of the year or over the course of the winter season (4C to 7.6C), yet he seems very knowledgeable about temperatures in places where no-one votes for him.

    Ireland needs LNG infrastructure to ensure energy security, says regulator

    Fianna Fáil’s Christopher O’Sullivan said he was concerned CRU was advocating LNG infrastructure even more strongly compared to a previous appearance before the committee. This coincided with polar regions experiencing record temperatures caused by emissions and over-reliance on fossil fuels, he said.

    It should be talking more about enhancing renewables and battery storage “when you can have the best offshore renewables in the world”.

    <snip>

    In response to Independent Senator Alice Mary Higgins, who suggested fracked gas was likely to be part of LNG imports, Paul McGowan of CRU reiterated LNG infrastructure was to enable “a secure transition to a low-carbon future”, but imported fracked gas was a different issue.

    The religious character of the environmental movement also shows itself, they are talking about moral imperatives to . . . politicians. Friends of the earth are a multi-national non-profit organisation within the charity industrial complex. Their continued existence depends on maintaining a steady income, which depends in turn on being able to scare members of the public into handing over their money.

    Jerry MacEvilly of Friends of the Earth said rapid decarbonisation of Irish society was a moral imperative. “It is important therefore that Ireland’s response avoids false solutions which would serve to increase long-term fossil fuel dependency, such as fossil fuel exploration and LNG,” he added.

    “It is not acceptable to throw out the line that fossil methane gas ‘is needed for when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine’. This is 2022 not 2012,” Mr MacEvilly said.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Because you haven’t answered it.

    You really are fooling no one.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I already pointed you to the previous comments from me and other posters. You asked the question it was answered. I can’t help you read and understand it unfortunately



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Indeed we are still here. And not just "three posters". There have been many others. I see again you are setting yourself up as the lone expert in the subject lol

    To be fair Broken - if you really believe everyone else here who is in broad agreement with the EU policy on the use of fossil fuels during the period of transition to renewable energy generation, somehow equates to others "struggling" with the topic and not you, there is indeed a problem but it's not with others.

    OK as you seem to like the question and answer format as opposed to discussion. Let me ask - do you believe the EU policy on the use of fossil fuels (during the period of transition to renewable energy generation which includes imported LNG and the use of European natural gas) is wrong?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Even if we say LNG should be an option the Kerry LNG will not be ready till probably 2030 and will increase, not decrease the cost of electricity, while only giving a short term fix while we migrate to renewable in the long term.

    Then our electricity will increase again as we pay for the migration from LNG to renewables .

    By 2030 if we invest now in renewables we would have a solution in place long term to build on while using the Moffatt line as backup, also connect to France as per the plans



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Why the continued and deliberate d misinformation being posted?

    In an article dated May last year the company responsible for the Shannon LNG plant stated that pursuant to planning permission being granted in 2021 it expected the €500m liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal on the Shannon to be “online by the second half of next year”.


    Now thats not a time line of 8 years or even close! Please provide a link showing the proposed LNG terminal will take to "2030" to complete as you claim.

    Please provide a link showing that the addition of LNG gas will increase the price of electricity here as you have claimed.

    The EU policy is to support the use of both LNG and natural gas in the period of transition to renewables which it is estimated will take approx 30 years up to 2050 and not 2030 as you claim Why do you chose to ignore these facts and replace them with what amounts to make believe?

    Post edited by Mecanudo on


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    The “answers” you posted don’t answer anything.

    I’ve asked you the vital knowledge you need to share, seen as you are the only one who seems to know how the grid will work without gas during the transition period, however you seem reluctant to answer.

    Unless more renewables IS your answer, in which case you can’t be helped.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Last week that's all the renewable sector was able to provide, Green party seem to think things will just magically appear overnight.

    .Ossian Smyth on the Week in Politics seemed to be auditioning for the part of Paul O'Gradys understudy rather than as a government minister.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    So when the wind doesn't blow on a dark night the 220MW is all that will be available for the Data centres while the rest of us sit in the dark.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Lol! Maybe banana doesn’t like electricity.

    That must be it!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Re the claim that the LNG gas will increase the price of electricity and to your demand for a link to an article showing this will be case.

    Do you really need a link 🤔. Shur as you well know, apropos your previous posts, the EU are stuck on this marginal pricing structure for energy. So ipso facto and as you well know, apparently 😉, under the marginal pricing policy the cost of electricity generation is dictated by the most expensive form creating same. As gas is expensive and as it’s a finite resource costs will also increase .



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Low density, uncontrollable sources of energy generation require 100% backup, the infrastructure and fuel needed cannot be separated from the price of wind and solar generations regular failure to meet the continuous energy needs of modern Irish society.

    Running an 500KM extension cable to France cannot resolve the cost problem and means Irish consumers will pay a premium to import reliable power when needed, assuming it can be had, there are problems on the continental grid.

    From the Irish Wind Energy Association

    The problem is not a lack of projects. As you can see from the presentation shared with Committee members, we have over 20,000 megawatts of capacity under development off the east, south and west coasts. We have the projects. We have the investment. We have the teams who can deliver


    source

    This is clearly economic bubble territory, Irish consumers cannot continue to subsidise that. It does not matter how many turbines exist when there is low or no wind these things sit idle and consume power, these low wind conditions tend to be spread over a large area of Western Europe sometimes for weeks at a time (you should have learned that from 2021). Electricity can only be consumed when it is generated, this means that when weather conditions are favourable, the wind operators will dump energy on the grid for whatever price they can get, the gas and coal backup infrastructure will be sitting idle, it cannot be allowed to go bankrupt so it will be subsidised heavily, the price of electricity to the consumer will not go down because of the infrastructure maintenance and management costs, eventually the mistake will be uncovered, the bubble will burst and the horizon will be dotted with rusting turbines since their operational lifespan at sea is around 10 to 12 years.

    They do realise this, the new story to keep the mania going is the "Hydrogen economy". Read The Future of the Hydrogen Economy: Bright or Bleak?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    🤷‍♂️ Talk to EIRGRID they no better than I



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Lol. No. The (your) rules are if you mention Marginal Price policy - you must now explain the alternatives! Otherwise you're "just a spoofer" or so you've claimed 😉

    But no your logic does not necessarily follow.

    We know gas prices have increased because of shortages and shortfall in supply of gas across Europe.

    However If Europe (and by extension Ireland) accesses more sources of gas either through LNG or additional finds of natural gas the price could also go down.

    That gas will still be used as the price determiner of electricity with MPS remains either way. And that price can vary 🤔

    So to the person who made the unsorted claim that

    Then our electricity will increase again as we pay for the migration from LNG to renewables 

    yes a link is indeed needed.

    Apropos Ipso facto ipso facto ipso facto and etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The data centers will be fine they have backup diesel generators for a while. The risks come from two different weather conditions or else a combination of faults that happen at once. The first condition is the big freeze that happens every decade or so across the continent and envelops Ireland, this drives a demand surge for energy lasting several weeks, Eirgrid will initially mange this through demand management schemes i.e. kicking some of the big consumers from the grid to rely on diesel generators. If the cold runs long enough there will not be enough, the risk becomes the Moffat supply is cut off because the UK market demands. Don't forget at that time of year solar is negligible, demand is highest and wind output is variable. A sudden drop in wind speed with no reserve gas supply means that Eirgrid must drop consumers from the grid or face the nightmare of collapse and a black start of the grid.

    The other scenario is a combination of faults, you may get a fault on the inter-connector line that takes months to get repaired, a lightning strike may take down a CCGT power station or substation, combined with time of day and weather conditions there may be no spare generation on the grid and the random generation sources may not be able to synchronise (50Hz) and will be cut, you may then experience a regional blackout.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    No friend you have brought up marginal pricing without provocation at least twice. I genuinely thought you knew about the subject, but as you’ve made clear You Don’t. Now that your exact point is being turned against you come out all dodge dip duck 🦆 dive.

    Out and out spoofer 🥸



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The only answer you have given to filling the gap of unreliable renewables is either throw more of the same unreliable renewables at the problem, or throw billions at renewables, that nowhere except in your own head, have shown they could go anywhere close to filling that gap for even the foreseeable future. That is not an answer, it`s a suspension of reality.

    A poster believes you are a troll, and from your posts it is difficult to argue you are not other than you were directly involved in the lunacy attempting to ban LNG. Either that or you are so entrenched in that green party idiocy, not just pointed out by many here but by the CRU, that while you now see it for what it is, you are scrambling posting ever more bizarre "solutions" attempting to avoid admitting it.

    Quite possibly the later imo as holding your hand up to your many mistakes here is one thing you certainly cannot be noted for.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    "Without provocation" 😅 Ah ffs it now requires 'provocation' to discuss the issue of European Energy costs in reply to comments regarding energy generation costs in Europe rflol. From that the only one provoking anything I see is yourself

    Yes indeed you've rightly claimed your own title "Out and out Spoofer"  🥸 indeed. Well done you!

    Lol you "genuinely thought (I) knew about the subject" Cough cough bs.

    The only details posted is an explanation as to what the EU Marginal Price policy entails. So tell what details of that is wrong?

    So far you've have screamed, and shouted, been abusive, called names and had a hissy fit any time the issue has been raised in context of the costs of electricity costs being discussed.

    Other posters have already rightly called you out for that. Your posting history on this thread is a fcuking disgrace.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Ryan attacking SUVs today, is there a stereotype list he's working through.



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