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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,316 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,889 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Just to restate this once again - proponents of Trump and the idea of the stolen election know that they cannot actually prove anything in court because they have no actual evidence. So, what they are doing instead is restrict voting laws at a state level and get pro-Trump people into lesser office country-wide or at least in purple states. Trump and the whole stop the steal thing are just useful idiots in the project. They just help keep the anger simmering, which help get the right people in these key offices.



  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    It is beyond question that Trump tried to overturn a democratic election. He is now spreading propaganda and the Rs are trying to change election law.

    It is purely down to Trump's stupidity and laziness that he didn't do any greater damage. He had racial unrest and a pandemic during his tenure. He could easily have enacted emergency legislation or state of emergency to seize power and he could have a crooked and rigged "Volksabstimmung" ala Hitler in 1934 that would have cemented his grip on power.

    But if you cradle your balls during "Executive Time" for 60% of your working day you can't take over the world. Thank God for that. Sadly he left a mentally decrepit army of his followers to deal with, we can just watch as they slide into obscurity.

    "I'm not a Trump supporter, but..." is the new "I'm not a racist, but...".



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,716 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Republicans - cancel culture is all democrats do...


    Also republicans..





  • Registered Users Posts: 13,889 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @Detritus70

    It is purely down to Trump's stupidity and laziness that he didn't do any greater damage. He had racial unrest and a pandemic during his tenure. He could easily have enacted emergency legislation or state of emergency to seize power and he could have a crooked and rigged "Volksabstimmung" ala Hitler in 1934 that would have cemented his grip on power.

    Trump's act was not a one man show. He had different people advising him throughout his presidency. Some of them would have even known about political procedures like enacting emergency legislation. My thinking on Trump and enacting emergency legislation in order to consolidate power is that if he could have, he would have, because he has little to no scruples. The system of checks and balances seemed to have held throughout Trump's term, though.

    The problem America faces now is not the prospect of Joe Biden's presidency ever being overturned. It's the 'Big Lie' being used to stack the deck on every level in the American political system.

    @Detritus70

    Sadly he left a mentally decrepit army of his followers to deal with, we can just watch as they slide into obscurity.

    I would question the mental state of many of his followers, but the idea that they slide into obscurity I don't agree with. This is exactly what happened when Obama got elected. He won the presidency and everyone went, "Well, that's the right-wing finished. Looks like America's moved on into a wonderful new age of diversity, harmony and prosperity". What actually happened was that the right-wing went back into the shadows and ended up giving birth to something terrible and scary and much more vociferous than the old neo-con mentality which now seems anodyne in retrospect. It's the same now. Trumpism has not gone away, and his supporters have not gone away. At best, the centre and left have just turned their attention to other things, while Trumpists get to whittle away in the dark on their various plans to subvert future elections.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    Trumpists get to whittle away in the dark on their various plans to subvert future elections.


    There is literally no other reason for following Trump. They may pretend to engage or concern-troll, but every single argument from them has to be taken as disingenuous.

    And that is why I would never seriously debate with any Trumper and especially never one of those "I'm absolutely, totally *not* a Trump fan, but!" trolls. They are the worst.

    "I'm not a Trump supporter, but..." is the new "I'm not a racist, but...".



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Wait, he literally had an openly homophobic VP... He also had plenty of policies that targeted the LGBTQ community eg rolling back Obama era anti discrimination policies. I'm guessing you omitted transgender people intentionally since he literally banned them from the military.





  • Registered Users Posts: 5,316 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    What happened truth social?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Last word was that Trump’s first Tweet Truth was the only one he’s bothered making and is said to be currently pissed that the platform is not doing better.

    Downloads of the iOS app (the only way to access the service) are apparently much lower than there were at launch and doing little better than GETTR.

    The site’s population includes a lot of right-wingers and accounts masquerading as major brands. (Possibly in an attempt to emulate a successful platform). The wait list to join is apparently very long, indicating that they may have failed to put in the server power nessisary to run a large online platform.

    Truth Social appears to be a failure and will probably close eventually, but since it’s the front for a Trump investment scam, maybe it will linger about for a while.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,206 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I believe it was a failure from launch, iirc, the TLDR is they launched a social media platform, marketed it on being 100% censorship free, and then the internet immediately responded in kind by flooding it with pornography. Right away, they had to walk back their marketing. And for most of his supporters who won't accept any censorship etc. this was too much to handle.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Kushner testified for 6 hours yesterday, that's a long time if you're only pleading the 5th... Be hilarious if he threw someone under the bus.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,206 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Probably not as easy to do when even Republicans on that panel can lead you into a question that is designed to still give them insights if you plead the 5th to it. Pleading the 5th incessantly in an illogical manner AFAIK (IANAL) is basically the legal equivalent of Failure To Appear, and can be grounds for Contempt charges, which, this House would certainly pass. Witnesses also have to be really careful (if they're lying) that they navigate the waters between, their 5th Amendment Rights, and claiming something is covered by Executive Privilege, as mixing those 2 up often enough leads investigators to believe you are criminally conspiring with POTUS.

    Peter Navarro for example is being charged with Contempt after asserting the subject matter was covered by Executive Privilege, and could not be declassified. The problem is, Navarro already told Fox/OAN viewers his whole sob story about the election, and about the Green Bay Sweep, etc. so, even if Trump's team had competently retained their executive privilege up to that point, Navarro threw that privilege out the window with the bath water when he went on national television. Navarro thought he could get away with just saying all that in public, not have to be subject to perjury for it, never have to back up his claims with receipts or anything.




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,389 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    It wasn't just fox that Navarro told his green bay sweep to. He described to to Ari Melber on MSNBC



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,206 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Right, he wanted to really get his assertions out there to the public, and have the court of public opinion reach a verdict, because populism is how Trump walked out of 2 impeachments with practically no spine from senate Republicans. All of this comes off the rails if they have to take the matter to a place under oath, where every one of the campaigns assertions to date, thus far, has withered and died. This is why Trump still desperately wants to a) NOT testify to ANYONE, by asserting "Executive Privilege" and b) Have a Debate on TV where he gets a cut of the ratings and can say whatever the **** he wants without risk of perjury, cross-examination, or, legal discovery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,389 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users Posts: 83,206 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Just the mere paranoia that Jared ratted out Trump, even absent ANY other personal suspicions Trump might have racked up with Jared in their relationship to date, will probably rattle him.

    Q will jump all over this quote,

    Though the details of what he revealed are not known at this time, Virginia Democratic representative Elaine Luria told MSNBC the former first son-in-law provided the panel with “really valuable” information. Speaking to NPR, Luria said, “I think that the committee really appreciates hearing information directly from people who have relevant facts about January 6, and the fact that Jared Kushner came as a witness is helpful to building the story of our investigation.”




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Climate is long term not day to day.


    Your Wikipedia link has typically used to describe left wing complaints but not exclusively. Aside from that it fits. Trump and the likes of Orban, Putin etc. want to stop certain groups of society from being insulted (namely themselves and anyone in their good favour).


    In any case the effect is the same if you want to label it political correctness or another word. They want some people protected from insults and for some things to not be said. The main change is if you are trying to protect the disadvantaged or the privileged with it really.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,442 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    It would be really funny if he didn't say anything useful at all and they are just trying to put the wind up trump. I'm sure though that Trump already knows what Kushner said via the republican members of the committee.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There are only 2 Republicans on the Committee - Cheney and Kinsinger.

    Not a hope in hell either of them are giving Trump any insights whatsoever.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,442 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Are committee members the only people in the room? No staff members?



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,206 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    CNN Newsroom host Jim Acosta interviewed Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA), a member of the Jan. 6 committee, about Kushner’s testimony.

    “I know you’re limited how much you can tell us about Kushner’s testimony,” Acosta said after introducing the congresswoman, “but how crucial was it?”

    Lofgren commented that she couldn’t share details of the testimony until there had been a vote of the committee to release the information, and that had not happened regarding Kushner.

    “But you can imagine, if the interview went on all day long, which it did, that there was information exchanged,” said Lofgren.

    “And we appreciate that Mr. Kushner came in,” she continued, and they were “hoping to hear” from Ivanka Trump as well, and had sent her a similar letter requesting her testimony. “We hope that she will follow the path taken by Mr. Kushner.”

    “And was Jared Kushner combative? Was he cooperative?” Acosta asked. “I know you can’t get into the detail of what he said, but for a session that lasted six hours, how would you describe how he was responding to the questions?”

    “He was not combative,” Lofgren replied. “He was precise, and he didn’t volunteer anything, but he did answer questions, if he remembered the answers. So it was not a combative or a, you know, volatile exchange at all.”



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,442 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Fair question - You'd assume that they'd be staffers working for the Committee members which again reduces the likelihood that they'd be "Trump friendly" , but in general DC leaks like a sieve so not unreasonable to suggest that the information is out there somehow.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,442 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Kingsinger isn't standing in the midterms so his staff will be out of a job in less than 12 months. I'm sure they are looking to their futures



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Since Truth Social was mentioned here the other day, the BBC are now also reporting it as a failure:

    Nearly 1.5 million on the wait list. I'm thinking that maybe no-one is actually processing new sign-ups. One curious bit of text pops up in the article that gave me pause: "But quite why the app is having so many problems has baffled experts."

    "Baffled experts?" Come on, even an IT hobbyist like myself can easily guess that Trump would cheap out on the back-end infrastructure. He probably threw the bare minimum cash at the same poor fool who made his Wordpress blog to bang together a basic server with a skinned Mastodon platform and didn't do much else. They can't add more than a couple 1000 users, otherwise the server will probably brick itself. I don't see that wait list getting any smaller any time soon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,389 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs



    That waiting figure brings me back to a previous life when I worked for an AV design/install company. When I started, we had three service vans, they're numbered Van #11, Van#12, and Van#13. I asked the MD where the other ten vans were, he replied 'oh we don't have ten other vans, but the people who see the current vans don't know that and will think we've at least 13 vans on the road and thus are bigger than we are'



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,546 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There was a telling quote in one of the articles I read on this earlier(can't find it again now of course!).

    In response to the question "Why isn't Donald Trump posting on the platform?" , the answer given by an insider was "He doesn't want to post on it until it's a hit".

    That quote tells you a few things.

    It tells you that Trump is utterly terrified of failure (as if we didn't already know) and so by not posting on it he can blame everyone else. If he was truthing/tweeting every day like he did before and it was still a dud , then everyone could reasonably claim that he was no longer a draw and that he is a failure.

    He'd more worried about his reputation than he is about the business being successful (of course it will be other people that lose money as it always is when Trump is involved) so he'd prefer for it to collapse rather than risk his perception of his "success".

    The other thing it tells us is that he really is a terrible businessman. Trump is the ONLY attraction for Truth Social , but his ego won't allow him to support it even though every business person with half a brain-cell knows that you do not hold back your only valuable product "until the rest is a success".

    His ego "trumps" business sense every single time.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,837 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    With the news that Elon Musk has bought a 9.2% share in Twitter and is now the largest shareholder perhaps Trump might be making a return to Twitter.

    I'm sure that would bring unbridled joy to many.



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