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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    true, but carbonisation of our environment is far more complex than just the wealthy, yes, a significant proportion of carbon is indeed coming from wealthy individuals but most is in fact coming from the activities of wealthy businesses and corporations, and we re not truly willing to appropriately tax those entities just yet, they also seem to be able to slither out of taxes due to globally structured tax avoidance schemes....



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we ve only recently starting significantly increasing our wind generation, we re actually still heavily reliant on fossil fuels, we ve gotten lucky in regards wind generation recently, hence the high percentages, but its clearly obvious, our over reliance on fossil fuels is becoming too dangerous and too unstable. we clearly need to continue ramping up production of wind, converting this into hydrogen, and storage in batteries etc. a wind farm can be in production within a couple of years, and the debts required to do so paid back within a few years, due to current borrowing conditions, now is the best time to strike on this, we d become more energy independent, and obviously less reliant on outside suppliers, thus less susceptible to outside shocks....

    germanys economy is different to ours, since its a major heavy industries one, therefore requiring astonishing levels of energy to do so, it also still has high amounts of coal deposits, it unfortunately makes sense for them to become more coal self reliant, the war has set a panic amongst them, as they are heavily reliant on russia for their energy needs, hence their decisions, i.e. its good for them, but not us, wind makes sense for us...

    yea true, i suspect they ll halt their shut down of nuclear now



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,076 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Increasing wind generation is not going to reduce the price of electricity by a red cent. Even if we doubled wind generating capacity overnight because it is unreliable.

    Germany learned that lesson the hard way this year but are lucky enough to have coal deposits and nuclear that they can fall back on. We have neither, and even the one resource we had, turf burning plants, if it would not solve the problem in any major way, we have shutdown. We also have banned all exploration curtesy of the greens, Ryan is sitting on his hands on Barryroe and they are now attempting to ban LNG.

    We followed the German template favoured by the Irish greens while they have shut us off, and are still attempting to shut us further off, from any possible indigenous sources. Even to the extent of banning exploration, attempting the same with LNG and using hand sitting. The country whose template we followed are having no such qualms.

    If the Irish greens had been any way interested in pursuing a template that suited Ireland`s energy needs, rather than going on an ideological solo run, they would have favoured the French template. But then that would have meant them recognising nuclear, as the E.U. have now been forced to as a transition source, than now having the hypocritical stance that nuclear is fine as long as we get it through the back door.

    Btw. I`m not sure Germany are self sufficient in coal. They imported around 40 million ton of hard coal last year, but that may due to them having shut their own source for hard coal. Which if they did, seems a bit counter-productive. Far as I know the primary coal they use for energy generation is lignite, which along with burning it not being environmentally friendly, neither is mining it, as this is often by strip mining.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Tell me this , 70% of the world is oceans, only 14% of the land mass is inhabited ,the atmosphere above stretches for 10,000 kilometres, it would take thousands,if not millions of years of every person burning old tyres 24/7/365 to even slightly dent this, but you seem to believe random taxation is needed .



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer



    They'll increase the price to make up for any losses to the energy companies, they've an insider as a regulator, has never refused an increase and never suggested saving within the companies before sticking in to the consumer.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,211 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    How many wave or tidal power plants are there in Ireland? Actually how many commercial tidal power plants are there in the world?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Mad time to retrofit, prices are off the wall, State would need to bulk buy from the manufacturers and just pay labour at living wage to fit it . Most people will be long dead before any saving would be accrued.

    Another way would be to retrofit every house free of charge no means test and then add € 10 a month to electricity bill.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    More details on whats happening at Shannonbridge

    • Demolition of the existing peat power station, intermediate peat storage building, electrical building, lorry unloading building, offices, labs, workshop and maintenance buildings.
    • Development and operation of a Battery Energy Storage System (BESS) and a Synchronous Condenser (Sync Con)
    • The BESS will be a 75MW capacity battery storage facility, which, at this stage, is described as containing 22 battery storage units, each 19m x 5m x 3m, alongside adjoining inverters, each 10m x 5m x 3.8m
    • The Sync Con will comprise a 400MVA condenser and various electrical plant and support items.
    • "These systems in general absorb and inject energy as dictated by the national power grid and act as energy reservoirs."




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    How many LNG plants like the planned one are in Ireland? Not sure what the point of that question is. Are you saying we shouldn’t do anything unless it’s already in ireland ?

    Tidal power quick google and it points to a number

    https://www.power-technology.com/analysis/featuretidal-giants-the-worlds-five-biggest-tidal-power-plants-4211218/



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    A fact…incorrect

    anyway, who has said the France - Ireland interconnect is under risk?

    Not sure why you have to be condescending in every post. Anyway answer the question above pleas?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭paddyisreal



    What do the earth saving greens think of this or is it all worth whileb so ye can keep on thinking your saving the world. The chinese and indians will have the arse ripped out of the world and all to facilitate so called renewables. Nothing very renewable about destroying mountains and glaciers is there? Maybe broken, banana and akrasia can justify this!



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,211 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Eh. Did you even read that link??? #3 on your list in Swansea was scrapped by the UK government as it made little financial sense and would have actually increased electricity costs for consumers. #4 in Scotland was massively scaled back due to cost and now has just 6MW capacity. And the one in Annapolis #5 was shut down in 2019 due to significant environmental damage and fish kills. Your link is kind of an own goal against tidal. 🤣😂

    And the Shannon LNG is a terminal not a power plant. There are quite a few gas power plants in Ireland. Odd that you didn't know that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Yes its fact that the primary renewable energy generation here atm is WIND.

    How do you not understand that?

    Yes it is a fact when the wind doesn’t blow atm - Fossil fuels and especially gas is used to make up the shortfall.

    That is how the energy situation is here AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

    How do you not understand that?

    I see you're back to Not answering the question I asked in my Comment above. And that comes before any more ducking, diving, dodging and before you start asking questions

    So again.

    do you believe the EU policy on the use of safe, secure and reliable source fossil fuels (during the period of transition to renewable energy generation which includes imported LNG and the use of European natural gas) is wrong?

    Btw if you fail to answer that one simple question- then it is clear you have lost any credibility whatsoever as a poster on this thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    12000 of those would require a very large hole in the ground for the mining materials needed but the greens never mention that



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,774 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Eamon Ryan and his looney Greens are doing my head in. Listening to their crap and all the attention the media are giving them is so annoying. Ireland is but a speck in the world of polluting countries and until they start pointing the finger at the real offenders like China, Russia and the US they are going nowhere and only succeeding in angering the workingclass Irish. I can’t wait for the next General Election to give these pampered numpties yet another bloody nose but alas they’ll ride off into the sunset on huge pensions and Ryan will probably have a new bike to put into boot of his gas guzzler.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    The standard of idiot they have in the green party is a special standard. Look at this lad, made a senator because hes catherine martins brother. This was nearly as bad as eamon and his lettuce.


    https://www.newstalk.com/news/green-party-senator-makes-call-seanad-schools-rugby-final-played-1055030



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Germans have deeper pockets, also the fact that France is nuclear is making the Greens queasy



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,273 ✭✭✭emo72


    i wish we could have a poll on this thread. "are green policies destroying this country?" yes. no.

    that would settle this discussion.

    im all for green solutions. isn't everyone actually? its just our luck we end up with the "green party" trying to provide them. they are an embarrasing disaster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    No where in Ireland suits the size required in all honesty sir you'd be as well order a few dozen camping turbines off Amazon, they'd be shite but will produce as much as any of the nonsensical multi billion muck you've been pedalling, trying to lumber people with debt for dung that nobody wants seems to be all you are good for. On commission for every sucker hooked?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Oh BTW folks, in top of Irish teachers producing a generation indoctrinated into eco panic guess whats going to be on the school curriculum?



    We've actually replaced religion classes with the religion of the chattering classes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Meanwhile in Europe there appears to be some sanity in relation to the problems of renewables and energy generation

    Germany. Greens do a rethink

    New EU Natural Gas storage requirements

    Problem however for France.

    French electricity price rises and dimming the lights mandated as electricity shortages kick in.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-04/french-power-prices-rise-to-13-year-high-on-monday-cold-snap

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/french-power-grid-operator-asks-users-cut-consumption-monday-2022-04-02/

    Somehow I reckon we can kiss that proposed French interconnector goodbye



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    If you believe Sinn Fein are not all hot air and populism then vote for them. 🤷‍♂️

    Thats why I wouldn’t vote SF



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    From the last article linked above

    The French power grid operator (RTE) said that the electricity consumption may reach 73,000 megawatt (MW) on Monday morning, while the production of electricity may reach 65,000 MW. France may import up to 11,000 MW as a result, RTE said.

    Who they looking to borrow that off I wonder? 😕



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Amen to that !

    What is equally Headwrecking,is the new crusade to make travel an anti-social occurence,the "Stay in your own Parish" message is now a regular,underwriting many mainstream media articles,in the same manner as Covid....(remember that ?)

    Covid began the crusade against the Middle Class masses having affordable access to wide ranging unrestricted foreign travel,and this message is now subliminally implanted in many,already fearful people.

    Is the chaos out in Collinstown due to the DAA's Covid strategy ?

    Is it fcucxk....odd as it may seem,it looks increasingly like the major Airport Authorities getting on-message with making middle class travel as uncomfortable as possible,with some,as yet unknown sweetner lined up for the most compliant Authority.

    Something is telling me,that much of this is about a madcap Clas War thing,with World Leaders becoming uncomfortable with the notion of the great-unwashed being able to jet off and fanny around foreign locations as they enjoy and perhaps learn from,the exotic locals.

    Unrestricted travel was,in short becoming too great a threat to Worldwide stability,and thus,we see the moves to make it as expensive and annoying as possible.

    Don't be too sure we won't have the Gardaí doing a rerun of the 2Km Lockdown cordon around the Airport again.

    Just look at tonights RTE News page...crikey they (along with other compliant and seduced Western media ) are REALLY biggin-up the latest doom laden Climate report from the United Nations..

    George Lee must have prayed long & hard that a Covid replacement would come along.....and boy did his God deliver the goods....

    Humanity has less than three years to halt the rise of planet-warming carbon emissions and less than a decade to slash them almost in half, the UN said in a landmark report on stopping global warming and ensuring a "liveable future".

    That daunting task is still - and only just - possible, but current policies are leading the planet towards catastrophic temperature rises, the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) made clear.

    The 2,800-page report - by far the most comprehensive assessment of how to halt global heating - documents "a litany of broken climate promises", said UN chief Antonio Guterres in a blistering judgement of governments and industry.

    There ye have it,Antonio and George are never to be found far from a great Crisis....pays the bills,I suppose ?

    Fair play to the U.N.,but they sure get through the oul reports.....pandemics or not 🤑

    In their third major review in eight months of the latest scientific evidence, the IPCC pointed out that greenhouse gas emissions have risen 12% since 2010 and by 54% since 1990 and are now higher than at any point in human history.

    The confidence levels of the U.N.'s researchers has gone stratospheric,since they hit the Covid generated "Fear vein" still sadly rampant amongst the masses.

    Think very hard about what deep and expensive changes this stuff is going to mean for the current generation of retiree's due to sit back and relax within the next 5 years......

    Nations should stop burning coal completely and slash oil and gas use by 60% and 70% respectively to keep within the Paris goals, the IPCC said.

    Whilst all of these doom-laden reports are the meat & two veg of the Green (ish) European parties,which have had smooth rides to largely self-aggrandising coalition governance positions,we,de peeple are now left with a huge loomong issue of just how we are going to manage on our meagre (by Govt Ministerial standards.)

    In one crazy way,it's only the likes of V.I Putin or Mr Xi who appear capable of giving the U.N a bit of a slap.

    There's little hope of any of the "Usual Suspects" standing up for the small man...that's for sure 😡


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Shur you don’t know anything about it anyway. 🤦‍♂️



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Long time lurker but you really take the biscuit with your renewables are a waste of time schtick. Solar farms really don't require removal of hedges. Have you ever been involved in the planning and building of a solar farm at all? I think not because what you're saying is not the norm, and for the most part not true. It seems you'll say anything to keep us dependant on fossil fuels though. It's the likes of you, and your resistance to change who'll have us hopelessly reliant on fossil fuels with your silly but persuasive (to non experts) arguments.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    i used to be able to fill my car for €80 in one week the same fill cost €100 Green policy didn’t really have anything to do with that is was the cost of a barrel of oil on the global market same thing with gas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    The world won’t end for another 4 billion years however civilisation ending consequences are a real thing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Have you ever been involved in the planning and building of a solar farm at all? 

    Yes I have.

    And no I do not believe "renewables are a waste of time.

    You evidently have not read the thread. But no matter.



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