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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,833 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    any hope that busconnects changes might play into her hands?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Haven't looked at it properly to be honest as it's going to take so long to be implemented, thanks to the usual moan and object brigade. You know yourself!

    She was good at taking Dart to GCD and cycling up the canal, even as a not very experienced cyclist, because when you build good infrastructure it encourages more users. Unfortunately those who complain about the work in Fairview are too short sighted to consider this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,050 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    The civil service has thousands of free parking spaces provided for them within the city, if you don't have to pay for it lots of people will stick to the car every time rather than travel in complete poverty spec trains and buses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,213 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    This issue is overstated. IIRC, the figure is 4,000 spaces, for the entire civil and public service in Dublin - so that includes all the DCC architects and engineers travelling to sites, all the public health nurses, all the HSA inspectors, all the HIQA inspectors, lots of people with mobile roles and genuine needs to travel significant distances at short notice to locations not served by public transport.

    Yes, there are SOME CS offices with generous parking. Newer CS buildings have very little parking, (3 spaces between 100 people in my last building).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Revenue should charge BIK on this. Take a €3 hourly charge, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week at day 45 weeks a year = €5,400. If someone is facing an extra tax hit of €2,800 a year on top of fuel etc it might encourage a change over to public transport or cycling.

    Easy to implement too. And then ring fence the tax raised to pay for more public transport and cycling infrastructure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,387 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Did someone Photoshop the cyclists out of these pictures?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,213 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    For ALL employer car parks, right? Not just public sector.

    Some UK cities (Sheffield, Nottingham) have introduced workplace parking levies, with the income going to fund public transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Absolutely for all. I've seen job descriptions where parking is advertised as a perk/benefit, so the employers even acknowledge it. No idea if Revenue provide parking and therefore turkeys won't vote for Christmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭johnnyrotten




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,213 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Revenue have some parking in Dublin Castle, but not a huge amount afaik. George’s St office has very limited parking. Not sure about other locations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,213 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭johnnyrotten


    You are missing the point here, The affected area is a major artery to and from the northeast of Dublin which is not served by the LUAS. Stop trolling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭johnnyrotten




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭johnnyrotten


    Theres a grand aul cycle track here already, Would make sense to leave it alone and not cut down 60 odd trees for a "Sustainable" option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Just talking about this today. Brother in law is a director in a multinational in the IFSC. They're actively discouraged from using public transport and (god forbid) cycling. It gives the wrong impression apparently.

    Anyway on the fairview thing, looking forward to this. Its a horrible stretch tp cycle from the end on the clontarf path which puts you in conflict with taxi and buses. Having a dedicated path here will make it much more pleasant. Fairview has been besieged by traffic and essentially has a dual carriageway running through ot so no harm to give some of the road space back to more sustainable means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,050 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    I'd say it's going to lead to a congestion charge rather than any actual new measures to move more mixed traffic through the city.

    I suppose even if you took 2 car lanes worth wide of Fairview park to leave existing flow as it was you would still have the traffic bottlekneck at Malahide Road and coming in to Clontarf but you would be back to where it was previously. The ancient trees that are so close to the bus and cycle lane are a ticking time bomb, only a matter of time before there's fatalities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Weren't those trees to be cut down until a bunch of green tree huggers protested and tied some ribbons around, and they got left in place. It's impossible to fart in Ireland without someone objecting.

    If the removal of a tree is required in order to implement cycling infrastructure then surely the cycling benefit outweighs the loss of the tree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,213 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,036 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Actually, Drumcondra station wouldn't be too far away either which is served by the Maynooth and Newbridge trains.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,833 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Drumcondra station serves people heading west though, and would have very little impact on traffic in Fairview, I'd wager.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,833 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I remember many years ago frank McDonald wrote about a bank manager who approached him; he cycled to work but the bank decided to issue company cars to all managers so he had to take one. A few months later he was summonsed to a meeting and asked why his wife has been seen driving the car, so his obvious answer was it would be sitting in the driveway during the day anyway, so what harm? So they told him to dutch the cycling and drive to work, they had spent a lot of money getting the car for him.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,036 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    True but it shows the available transport links which would help negate some of the "I have to drive across the city" excuses



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    🤣🤣🤣🤣

    If the arguments against the work in any way involve describing what is currently there as "grand" then they are not worth listening to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Breezer


    Many years ago when I was a trainee on work placement, I was told something similar. “Do you have a car?” was the first thing the new boss asked me. “Yes,” I said, “but I’m only down the road and was thinking I’d cycle in.” “No no, that won’t do at all. A colleague did that before and naturally people assumed he was an alcoholic who had lost his licence.”

    These days I own my own business, and I cycle past that place twice a day. I still think of that conversation every time and have a good chuckle!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭dublin49


    was walking beside the cycle path along fairview today on the tree side and it mysteriously changes to walkin on it around the bridge,not sure where the change ocurred but I missed it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,389 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Yeah it switches from one side to the other at a random point. I never really understood why 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    It switches at the entrance to Fairview Park opposite Marino Mart. I think it's something to do with the bus stop up ahead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    I'm from the northeast of Dublin, and the area is served by the Dart, and no less than three bus routes, all three of which pass through Fairview, so am delighted at the reduction in bus journey times that these works will bring. Am struggling to imagine where it is you could be driving from that is seemingly so bereft of public transport options.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,360 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yeah it's hilarious on Twitter everyone with the usual tired trope - sort out public transport first and then make these changes!!!!1

    I'm from and live in north east Dublin too, it must be one of the best catered areas in Ireland for public transport.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,240 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I drove in past the roadworks today during rush hour.

    The usual yellow box blockers were having their effect, but that is nothing to do with the works.

    Lots of private cars taking the bus lane.

    The traffic moved along inwards, though at one stage what looked to me like two suicide cyclists shot out from the left at speed - I can only presume they went rogue and that they are not being guided from the footpath side of the park back out into the traffic?

    The main delays seemed to be outbound and they were substantial. Fair amount of ducking up through Marino by the old post office to avoid the jam at the junction. Yesterday a food van stopped to unload at Marino College there - that caused great fun.



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