Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

If you think for one minute that just because social houses are built the government will stop bidding on existing houses then I am afraid that you will be disappointed. There was a report the other day about the issue of apartment blocks been bought on mass causing ghettos because there is little mix of owners and private tenants and social tenants. The only way around that is buy houses in areas with low social housing.

if SF have the answers then they should be able to explain in detail their solution as opposed to sound bites just giving out. Likewise there plan is to increase taxes not reduce them so I just don’t see how it all fits together and just see it as smoke and mirrors.

The difference then was in composition of social housing - it was mostly working class not welfare class.

Plenty of towns all over the country have rows upon rows of houses all social housing from 50s-70s, most are quite nice established areas.

Its not state ownership that makes these places bad, its who is prioritised for social housing nowadays. Give lower income working people priority and the ghettoisation is no longer a thing.

Thank you, you emphasise my point for a decade on these threads.

A significant build by the state would replicate that success with a focus on working people that are currently gouged by high rents. Housing would then be a source of income rather than a black hole for the state. Economy booms as competitiveness is restored and citizens have a little bit more spending power.

Everybody wins, right?

All these things are fixable with the right processes. If your handing out below market rate housing you can add a few terms and conditions. Nod, wink

Can you really add terms and condition in this day and age when it will be interpreted as discrimination.

e.g. You wouldn’t be able to remove a drug dealer without them being prosecuted by the courts…even then you would be discriminating against people who have spent time in jail….not paying rent is a minor issue in comparison.

The only Nod wink involved would be in paying ‘security’ to some drug dealer for not burning out the houses being built by the council like what had been happening around the country for years.

There's a decent amount of construction effort currently deployed in offices and hotels; with the former in much lower demand due to WFH and the latter massively cooled off and plenty of proposals up for sale as sites+planning going on the property pages of the IT/SBP.

The expertise in those sectors would also be more suited for rapid build type projects.

There should be no income limits full stop.... If housing is to be provided then it should be provided for all on a pro-rata basis including the middle income who pay most of the tax in the country..... By just providing to one section of the population you breed resentment. If this was done you could build large scale 'social/affordable' housing projects and would have a wider cross section of the population. If middle income or high income workers choose not to avail of the housing and purchase elsewhere then that is their choice.

...so we should allow the market to solve it, yea?

what if some renters simply cannot afford to pay their rents, maybe we need to increase welfare, and deduct rent from source?

public housing should be build for professionals that are simply caught between unable to rent or purchase, but these properties should never be sold into the private market

means tested to whos means or whos standards?

i think its the only way to deal with none payments, but welfare would also need to be increased to at least the same amount of rent, but ideally higher, as this would benefit the economy directly, due to the increase in money spent into it

if we dont start introducing protective measures for everyone, including landlords, the whole system will completely collapse

i disagree there to a point, we re obviously in serious trouble regarding property, but there are some potentially good solutions out there, our political system is just stuck, unwilling or able to implement them, but this wont be easy to resolve, and it ll take years, if not decades

...and one of the most expensive markets on the planet, whereby most locals are unable to purchase, leaving it to the wealthy to do so.... go gentrification!

NEXT!!!

Demand will always be greater than supply for such housing.

Is it illegal to credit check a new customer?

Could one ask in the application form the preferred method of payment?

Could one offer a discount by using deduction from source income citing reduction in administrative costs as the reason?

Could one secretly prioritise applicants that tick the positive boxes

Your dead right, as a middle earner with no home, I feel like I'm being used a worker bee for the state. As I've pointed to in other forums, we are being fleeced for all we have and are expected to house the working class, which in part I'm not massively bothered about! But the long term welfare class can get fu@ked as far as I'm concerned and that pri@k of a housing minister with them. He's having meetings about building accommodation for refugees while current net tax contributors of the country are priced out of housing. Angry isn't what I am at the moment. Its a feeling of resent and being marginalised and I don't use strong words like that loosely. The policy of this government is to treat us home seekers with utter contempt, over inflating everything with cheap fu@kin money, with little benefit seen by people in my position, and there are hundreds of thousands of us between 25 and 40. House the refugees to look good but our own lads can keep paying rent, they are doing everything in the power to keep the prices rising and demand through the roof!