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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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    #44102
    cuttingtimber22
    Registered Users Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881729#Comment_118881729

    We have a two tier hospital care system. And even that is a bit confusing where people admitted to a public hospital initially are then segregated due to insurance status.

    People needing consultant appointments (referred by GPs) can have waiting lists of months vs days depending on insurance status.



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    #44103
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Another nice little drop in hospitals. 1444 to 1360.



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    #44104
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882471#Comment_118882471

    So the public health advice was spot on and Paul Murphy was wrong. What a surprise.



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    #44105
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,749 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881469#Comment_118881469

    No. The flu is not " more dangerous".. That is a myth.

    Yes. Its just indicative of the constant underfunding and poor management of capital projects in the country, with constant flimflamming depending on which party is in power.

    The way forward is hospitals with extensive numbers of single rooms and appropriate staffing levels.

    In fairness they have made a move on staffing but it will be interesting to see if this is sustained in order to improve the service permanently.

    It is a shame that a more permanent solution like Sláintecare has so far been sidelined by this government.

    So much money goes into private healthcare in this country.

    Powerful stakeholders blocking the way to a Single Tier health system # not in our lifetime.😐



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    #44106
    Goldengirl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881490#Comment_118881490

    Absolutely.

    I think the mishandling/, underuse of the private system during the pandemic is what crystallised the lack of urgency or interest of hse/government in Slaintecare, especially for those board members who resigned in protest and frustration.

    What opprtunities missed!

    Vast majority of hospitals around the country are mid century buildings or even date back to workhouses!

    They need constant work and upgrading to bring them up to standards of 20th century level.... Never mind 21st century!



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    #44107
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Zero COVID in action for a mere 13,000 cases. Gonna get a lot worse!


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-60994022




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    #44108
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884512#Comment_118884512

    An elastic band can only be stretched so far before it snaps.



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    #44109
    Xander10
    Registered Users Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭Xander10


    So the HSE will continue to pay Tony's €187k salary despite his move to TCD, boosting his pension payout at retirement also. And they will have to pay his replacement.

    Surely this can't be true?



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    #44110
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884751#Comment_118884751

    It's not true, it's the DoH funding it. Nothing new in this type of arrangement.



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    #44111
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884850#Comment_118884850

    Maybe nothing new, I don’t know enough about it or know of pervious examples of similar arrangements. Can’t see how it’s acceptable that the DoH will pay his salary for a private gig in Trinity to the tune of 187,000 Euro while paying full salary for a replacement CMO. He’s vacating his role as CMO so why will the DoH still be paying him? I read that Trinity College created the role for him. So they created the role for him in their faculty but they don’t need to pay his salary?

    Also he’s not available to answer public health questions re covid until after the Easter break apparently. Ronan Glynn has been summoned instead.

    They really are playing the public for fools.



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    #44112
    [Deleted User]
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    You'd have to say shame on all those people last week that made one last effort to try and have our freedoms removed again for their own selfish agendas.



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    #44113
    DLink
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118886926#Comment_118886926

    They would have us locked down again in a heartbeat, never forget that.



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    #44114
    shesty
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,909 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884751#Comment_118884751

    It is true. I wondered a few pages back what Trinity had offered Holohan for this post, because I honestly did not believe they could match what he was walking away from - particularly at his time in life, when pension would be a priority. Now I see how it is working. I also was curious about the role itself, it seems to be a "floating" role, where he isn't attached to any school in Trinity in particular, which seems odd. That bit isn't so relevant though. I have past experience with secondments, and usually a timeline is put on them - 18 months, two years, whatever - and the company that the person moves to pays their salary. This set-up is a bit unusual.



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    #44115
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118887192#Comment_118887192

    Here's the gov.ie page on secondment.


    https://hr.per.gov.ie/en/corporate-pages/career/mobility/secondment/

    This may explain it.

    A secondee will continue to be treated as a staff member of the parent organisation for the purposes of internal competitions, pay and progression (including progression to higher scales), incremental credit (subject to satisfactory performance), reckonable service, and will also continue to be a member of their parent organisation pension scheme and pay all contributions on the basis of this membership at their substantive grade. 



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    #44116
    Amenhotep
    Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭Amenhotep


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118886926#Comment_118886926

    utterly evil evil people.

    In Spain the public health "experts" just turned down a motion to remove indoor masking until at least after easter - and even then they are admitting they don't want to remove it as it's "too risky" and "we don't know what will happen if we do" - ehh apart from all the countries in Europe and the states in the USA that have of course, and had no ill effects from it ?? !! You can't learn from them no ???


    The gaslighting is at the maximum, these people are evil, and would have us all in gulags if they could.



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    #44117
    [Deleted User]
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    The media have loved the covid. Sure look at this - trying to make a shame story out of someone being 'unmasked' in public. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mary-lou-mcdonald-maskless-at-sinn-fein-rally-in-hotel-days-before-advising-people-to-wear-them-41525086.html

    Now, MLM hasn't helped herself by going on the radio looking for people to wear them, but what a ridiculous story. It shows both the frothing from the media for restrictions, and the doublespeak by all these people who want masks for everyone, but can't be ars*d themselves.



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    #44118
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118887208#Comment_118887208

    It also explains secondment;

    ’A Secondment is a temporary arrangement which facilitates the release and movement of staff members for a specified period of time in a way which does not affect their employment status.’

    This does not fit with Holohan leaving his role as CMO and accepting a role in the private sector. The announcement was most definitely of a relinquishment of the role, with many politicians thanking him for his service and wishing him well in his change of career.

    It stinks.



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    #44119
    Xander10
    Registered Users Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭Xander10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118887411#Comment_118887411

    Agree. A secondment in the public service, from my experience, is temporary and for a specific timeframe.

    It's does stink.



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    #44120
    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users Posts: 5,843 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118887483#Comment_118887483

    Fishy.


    "The Mobility scheme will remain the primary mechanism for the permanent lateral movement of staff members across the Civil Service organisations. The secondment policy will be used to support this scheme to fill time-bound positions concurrent with a strategic project/placement, and in exceptional circumstances the backfilling of vacant positions arising from staff members who are released for secondments/career breaks."


    https://hr.per.gov.ie/en/corporate-pages/career/mobility/secondment/

    Also, where was it advertised?


    "The Civil Service Management Board approved the Secondment Policy which is underpinned by the following broad guiding key principles. A living Guidance and FAQ document has also been developed for use.

    Key Principles

    All secondments will be temporary in nature, and in general will be for a period of six months up to a maximum of five years

    All secondment advertisements will be sent to CSHRD, Department of Public Expenditure and Reform PER (csrecruitmentpolicy@per.gov.ie) for clearance before sending to the Public Appointments Service for circulation to all Civil Service organisations (including bodies under their aegis)."



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    #44121
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118886926#Comment_118886926

    Thank God we don’t live in China. It’s quite unnerving seeing what governments can do and get away with. Not to mention the ilk on twitter calling for lockdowns and restrictions constantly. I would still be a little concerned about our freedoms going into the future. As long as Covid 19 exists our freedoms are still under constant threat.



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    #44122
    podgeandrodge
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    In the Indo regarding Claire:

    Opening her television show tonight, she said: “I’m back here again."

    I wish she'd stay in it. Totally overrated. Dobson and David McCullagh and plenty others streets ahead. But she gets the show for some reason.



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    #44123
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Another nice drop in hospitals this morning from 1333 to 1250. Keep her lit folks 😆

    That will be the main topic of discussion on Claire’s show this morning 😉



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    #44124
    FintanMcluskey
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118892792#Comment_118892792

    More evidence that cases rise and fall organically without lockdowns or mitigation measures

    Unfortunately it took 2 years to figure that out



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    #44125
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118892822#Comment_118892822

    2 years later there is still not a shred of evidence that any of those "measures" actually did anything at all.

    Typically, we introduced the strictest measures every time we reached a peak. So people always assumed it was the restrictions.

    At least the evidence now shows us that it was all rubbish. Particularly some of the more ridiculous restrictions like 9 euro meals and closing pubs early or Lidl covering the middle aisle.



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    #44126
    Amadan Dubh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118884512#Comment_118884512

    You can't trust anything out of China. Their economy is potentially about to collapse due to the property bubble popping the last few months. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see lockdown as a potential way to deflect.



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    #44127
    FintanMcluskey
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118892877#Comment_118892877
    https://www.newstalk.com/news/covid-pandemic-excess-deaths-recorded-ireland-1329481

    HIQA said Ireland’s relatively low proportion of older adults, low population density and vaccination rollout all helped to reduce the levels of severe disease.

    So they are finally forced to admit it what a few of us said from the start.

    The lockdown's didn't save any lives in Ireland, demographics did.

    They also state the vaccination rollout helped lower excess deaths in 2020, which is a bit of an odd statement



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    #44128
    [Deleted User]
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    It's far past time to admit that there are things that the state (and the collective - society as a whole) can do, and things that they can't do.

    Together, human societies have put footprints on the moon and have deployed robots on Mars. They've waged bloody wars and they've created masterpieces of art and architecture. Humanity is dark and light, and society amplifies this. There are many things we can accomplish when we combine our abilities. But, humanity has never been efficient at eradicating infectious diseases (there are two such cases AFAIK).

    Regardless of whether the state (and collective) could eradicate Covid - with intrusive, illiberal and what I consider to be morally offensive policies, there are also things that human societies should not do. And one of those things is lock healthy people in their homes for months on end.



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    #44129
    [Deleted User]
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    Indeed we can see now that lockdowns were never needed. We have evidence that cases go down with no need for masks or restrictions. And deaths were clearly overstated with only around 2000 excess deaths due to our demographics.

    What will never be fully clear is the damage that lockdowns caused. We now have huge levels of debt and inflation that will hinder us for years to come.

    But also what will be the impact of all the cancelled appointments and screenings etc. What's the impact on mental health.


    My guess is the people that ordered the lockdowns will try to distance themselves from all this quite quickly. They're already using the war to justify potential recession ahead.

    Tony got out of there quickly with his big pension.



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    #44130
    [Deleted User]
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    One of the things that I have found very striking, and continue to do so - is the media silence on the events of the last two years with regards to the moral implications of lockdown. Outside of a few fringe outlets in the UK, there has been very little discussion of how our previously inalienable fundamental rights and civil liberties could be revoked at the whim of politicians/public opinion. To me, it spells trouble for the future for those of a more libertarian persuasion.

    Liberty is not absolute, of course, but neither is safety.



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    #44131
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Just a comment on hospital numbers today - 1251, which is heading for 400 cases lower (373 to be precise) than the peak of a week or so ago. At this rate they'll be down under 1,000 over the next week.



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