Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Sports organisations no matter what jurisdiction they operate in, have to abide by the laws of that jurisdiction in their regulations. It’s true that the legal definition of woman is irrelevant in this context because how State legislators are framing the new laws is in terms of prohibiting participants of the male sex. These laws can be challenged and overturned at Federal level if they are found to be discriminating against any particular group on the basis of sex or gender.

That’s not to suggest that gender trumps sex which is often the argument put forward, but rather saying that both gender and sex are equal characteristics in law same as any of the other characteristics which are the basis of anti-discrimination legislation. There’s a good fact check on the effects of Biden’s Executive Order here which prohibits discrimination against people who are of the male sex, but are also of the female gender. Both sex and gender are grounds for discrimination -

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/6686171002

I'm lost in the attempts to metaphor/equivocate between persons and royalty watches.

“This evidence that human brains cannot be categorised into two distinct classes is new, convincing, and somehow radical,” says Anelis Kaiser at the University of Bern, Switzerland.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28582-scans-prove-theres-no-such-thing-as-a-male-or-female-brain/#ixzz7PESCBCdK

That quote though flies in the face of what you pretty much say , if we are a mosaic of pieces then if qualifies people as non binary and even widens the spectrum?

What you've quoted is entirely a matter of physicality and is precisely the core of the debate.

What comparison you've drawn is nothing to do with that.

No-one is generally denying that trans women are women, in the context of this debate. A lot of people deny that it's fair that people like the woman the thread is about compete with biological women.

It's extremely simple and really, most of the debate seeks to muddy the waters and make that simple issue into something incredibly complex when it's not.

I find it somewhat ironic that you have argued that it is coming from the opposite end of a spectrum however what you have done is spun it to fit in with your own politics. Im doing my best (and im trying to be impartial but struggling) to see the information without confirmation bias. I share a concern that there is a matter with muscle definition within those who were formerly men but transitioned. That common ground we all share. The approach you had reminds me of the argument till the late 80's. Homosexual were seen as degenerates, paedos, corrupted and were held in the same esteem as trans people are held today. Science acknowledges that those who are trans/non binary (I struggle with non binary but Im prepared to accept it on face value as its just easier to and even if I am wrong there is zero harm really) have higher rates of suic8ide from those who criticise the it as being non legitimate. From what your posts are on this thread there is an element of demagoguery. I pointed to that study which fully explains that there is a wide spectrum of people along of various genders. In the New Scientist article which I should have also pointed out was

"Even so, Joel’s findings can be used to help many people understand the non-binary nature of gender, says Barker. After all, some people don’t identify as either male or female, and others feel their gender identity shift over time. “It’s a shame that people’s experience alone isn’t enough for us to recognise as a society that non-binary gender is legitimate.”

And with all due respect and fairness you didnt say that however the esteem to which your posts speak of Trans people are reminiscent of what gay men had to live with until the 80s.

Personally, I think at the pointy end of competitive sport, it should be based on sex chromosomes and anyone with a Y chromosome should be in the male, or open category if that's what we want to call it now. Competing with his own sex seems to work for Iszac Henig. Presumably, it doesn't impact his gender identity, so why can't it work for other top trans athletes? Trans people know what sex they are so there shouldn't be any surprises. Obviously the hard cases are the hitherto unknown intersex people like Caster Semenya. But a lot more is known about DSDs now than when she was born. One hopes DSDs would be detected a lot sooner nowadays. Maybe sport at a participative level could develop in parallel along lines other than sex/gender. There has to be many ways to make it work.

Do you agree with segregating mens and womens sports?

On what grounds?

What? Do you or dont you agree with separate competitions for men and women in sport?

"Horribly Wrong?" like a kaiju attack or God's wrath against the gay agenda?

Okay. So Overheal you advocate for abolishing seperate mens and womens competitions and having them all compete together.

Do you recognise that this effectively would eliminate all women participants from sport as men would win almost every event? As evidenced by historical records of finishing times between current segregated mens and womens sports. Men consistently outperform women in almost every event by a wide margin, so having them compete together simply means men competing and women are kept out.

Again, am I right in thinking you support this?

Quite apart from the entirely false equivalence you're making there (because brain size is not related to intelligence, for one thing - unlike muscle mass and bone structure, which are related to physical performance), you seem to be responding to a post I didn't make.

My question wasn't about trans people, it was about non binary people. Or are you saying they don't exist?

So, out of curiosity, how would you describe a trans identified male MMR fighter, Fallon Fox, fighting Tamika Brents and injuring her so severely that I believe she hasn't been able to fight since, if not "something going horribly wrong"?

https://www.attacktheback.com/transgender-mma-fighter-fallon-fox-breaks-opponents-skull/

Here's what Tamika Brents said after the fight:

[quote]Everything happened in the first round within the first two and a half minutes. It was a messy, bloody fight and not easy for everyone to watch. During the fight Tamikka suffered a concussion and fractured her orbital bone in her skull and Fallon Fox didn’t stop until Tamikka Brents was finally TKO’d. After the fight she received several staples in her head and skull.

After the fight, Tamikka Brents gave an interview where she went on to say she had never felt so much power and strength in any woman before she fought Fallon Fox.

I have struggled with many women and I have never felt the strength I felt in a fight like that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say that I have never felt so dominated in my life and that I am an abnormally strong woman in my own right? I still disagree with Fox’s struggle. Any other job or career that I say I try, but when it comes to a combat sport I don’t think it’s fair.[/quote]

I'm hearing the same tired arguments from a century ago: 'do you think it's fair to whites, to compete with blacks, in a sport about running fast or jumping high?'

Have all whites been eliminated from Basketball, Baseball or American Football?

The NCAA is a nongovernment sports organization. They chose to include the athlete in their assembly.

Is there a reading comprehension problem in here, when I exemplify why this is just another historical case repeating itself of discrimination and segregation? I mention the Negro Leagues, so I must be the racist. /s

No I'm not claiming what you have dialoged in your own head.