Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Twitter move on Russian government accounts.

Ehh how do you appeal to them ?

I mean they have limited access to free information at this stage.

Anyone that dares speak out or even voice any concern, like that teacher, is fined, jailed or even worse.

This whole thing is beginning to look eerily like WW2 in some respects.

Granted the Russian military never got going unlike the Germans, but at this stage it looks like they are being led by a looper that looks disconnected from reality.

The people are either sheeple thinking they are on the cusp of the restoration of greatness or haven't a clue and don't care too much.

Some of these people would only cop on when they are living in a bombed out mess with no food, water and viewing occupiers with a gun to their heads.

Do not expect there to be a popular uprising where the people rise up en masse.

The last time that happened in Russia was in 1917 and the state was already on it's knees with a leader that hadn't a 100th of the control Putin has over the population.

The only hope this doesn't keep going is that a group within the top security services and/or military take decisive action and take Putin and his cronies out.

One thing Putin muist have considered is how loyal is the army?

Even in Germany when the top brass of the Wehrmacht really knew the gig was up in 1944 (or even well before) they failed to act in unison.

It was only a few that tried to take Hitler out, the rest just saw duty and dedication to the state as being the only things that mattered.

And these were often from Prussian aristocratic military families.

What are the officer class in the Russian Army like, are there free thinkers, are there ones who see Putin as a great leader to restore the glory of the Red Army or ones that see him and his cronies as the ones literally selling out the successor to the Red Army?

What units are based near Moscow?

Are they specialist units there to guard the Kremlin or is a rag tag normal soldiers ?

If this end comes it will come very fast.

There will be no trial, just a bullet to the back of the head.

I notice how you explicitly avoid every aspect of my post and then claim: "but it's probably fake". My post is not about that single incident; it is about the principles of the rules of war and how soldiers should conduct themselves.

How about you address even one of the questions I've posed or points I've made? Is it okay to execute unarmed and furthermore bound prisoners in your warped world view? You're fine with Ukrainian prisoners also being treated that way? Every prisoner should be summarily executed because it's a war-zone?

Fair enough. I am certainly no expert on these things. Bottom line for me is they should be getting whatever they need and getting it yesterday.

Russians kill indiscriminately, whether you're a soldier, an old woman, a mother, a girl - not to mention all the other barbaric stuff they are doing

Ukrainians soldiers kill some of those Russian soldiers

I'm struggling to see how the two are the same thing?

You're advocating the summary execution of prisoners of war. You're not even entertaining the possibility that isolated Ukraine units could be committing war crimes; or maybe you're saying that it's fine for Ukraine to commit war crimes because Russia is committing war crimes? Is that it; tit for tat is perfectly fine in your view?

If your position is that I support Russia purely because I don't want Ukraine to commit war crimes; you and those who thanked your posts are idiots. This kind of behaviour and logic is exactly the kind of knee-jerk emotive reaction that Kremlin propaganda uses on its population.

One of the main reasons I don't want to see Ukraine commit war crimes is because it hurts Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian nation:

• Ukraine loses credibility in every single international arena where it might try to pursue Russia: International Criminal Court, United Nations, G7/G20, and even just 1-1 diplomatic efforts.
• Ukraine gives Russia actual credible evidence which they can use to further their own domestic and international propaganda efforts.
• Ukraine may risk its access to better and more advanced weapons which it can use to actually drive Russia out of Ukraine.
• War crimes committed by Ukrainians will allow Russian troops (who are using almost exactly the same idiotic **** logic as you and your mouth-breathing pals) to feel more justified in raping/executing Ukrainian detainees, civilians, and prisoners of war.
• War crimes committed by Ukrainians may harden the directives given by senior military leaders to troops on the ground.

Honestly. Advocating for Ukraine to commit war crimes is idiotic; you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

And to be perfectly clear: I abhor the Russian state, I condemn the war crimes they have clearly committed and likely continue to commit in Ukraine, and I want every Russian soldier and officer in the entire chain of command right up to Putin to be dragged before the Hague and prosecuted for every single civilian death, every single war crime, every single cent of damage done to the Ukrainian nation and Ukrainian people.

But I still absolutely and unequivocally condemn any war crimes committed by Ukrainian troops or any and all troops fighting on behalf of Ukraine; and every single incident should be fully investigated and those people should also be punished after the war.

Over my few weeks here, and as much as I do sometimes enjoy the debate, I generally skip over the long winded essays. Keeping it short, simple and to the point is the key. Directed at both sides (okay I get the Moskovite botcentre part of it), what kind of job allows you to take part in this type of debate day in day out?

Brass balls

Christ, to all the pro-Russian lackies, saying “but, but, but, Ukraine did…”, remind me which country it was that invaded another country forcefully?

If my house is burgled and that burglar is raping my wife and the kids, should I just let him proceed and not try to defend ?

I suppose it was more a question of how much opportunity is there for manoeuvre once a nuclear exchange has began. When I was a child the narrative was that world war 3 would be over in a matter of hours. That was the MAD doctrine. Is that still the doctrine? Let’s assume that Russian first strike nuclear strikes on western targets is impossible to hide from the Russian people. Could the west/NATO at that stage make clear to residents of Moscow/St Petersburg etc that their cities are about to be atomised if they fail to deliver Putins head on a platter or show definitive cause to wrest control from him in a reasonable time. Probably wouldn’t make a difference. Have visions of chamberlains 11am German withdrawal ultimatum on 3 sep 1939. But it is to put it mildly, incredibly disquieting to think that an automatic tit for tat exchange to obliteration is the only course. They really are the dumbest weapons that man ever created.

"The Bushmaster armoured vehicle, developed by Thales Australia (formerly ADI Limited) is in full production at ADI's engineering and manufacturing facility at Bendigo, Victoria.

"A double wishbone independent suspension system designed by Timoney in County Meath, Ireland provides good cross-country mobility across difficult terrains."

So, correct, as originally stated. Designed and built in Australia, mate.

Actually it seems we were both incorrect.

The original was designed by Timoney and based on its MP44. However it was built jointly under license from Timoney by ADI and later Thales for Australia. So Irish design but Australian manufacturing.

Either way happy something with Irish roots might be going to help Ukraine.

@Curious_Case

The chain of command may well not obey Putin's command if that command were to launch a nuclear first strike, but I don't think any serious military strategist would be planning any escalation of conflict on the basis that Putin's chain of command would possibly be pragmatic about being told to launch a nuke. When the stakes get that high, they must surely looking for extremely high or low probabilities before deciding on a course of action.