Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Well they seem to have manufactured APCs for the Irish Defence Forces in the past but yes: it seems they only actually manufacture drive-train components (and prototype vehicles) in Ireland and otherwise they design and license out manufacturing globally.

Wonder what kind of tank it was? One of former Russian tanks, now under new management? Or one of the old reliable?? If so its a pretty lethal piece of machinery. I once read a comment from a farmer British tank commander who said that pound for pound, the Russian T34 was the best all round tank in the ww2. Way better than the British, American and German tank's in the same class.

A better analogy would be something like:

(Apologies to anyone actually from the Ballymun Flats, I'm just trying to make a point)

Someone from the Ballymun Flats breaks into your house, beats your kids, rapes your wife. You find out later that this happened but you don't know who from Ballymun actually carried out the attack; you just know it was someone from the flats.

Later on you come across several random men from the Ballymun Flats. You threaten them with your weapon and they surrender to you. You bind their hands. You then execute them without any evidence these were the actual men from Ballymun who carried out the attack. In fact statistically it's highly unlikely these were the same men who did so.

Is this okay; in your view? Because that's the scenario that started this whole discussion.

If you do think that's okay well I wholeheartedly disagree with your view of the world.

Eh? Of course I expect them to hit back. And when Russian soldiers surrender I expect them to be treated the same way Ukraine want their own prisoners to be treated. And then later they can be used in prisoner exchanges to get Ukrainian prisoners returned back to their families and country; or if there is evidence of war crimes they can be tried and punished appropriately. What about that is so hard to understand?

I mean personally I don't even find that a quick death is even a just punishment for raping children. They should spend their lives terrified that Ukraine or someone else will catch up with them; and when they are caught they should be jailed and forced to confront what they did every day in the confines of a prison.

Just to point out that, technically, one could argue that any soldier of the Russian army is an accomplice to crimes they commit.

As someone else already said, you sound like some Farage-loving Brexiteer. The fact that Zelensky desperately wants Ukraine to be fast tracked into the EU is a point you conveniently ignore, the organisation can't be all bad, though it certainly has its flaws

According to Lavrov all "hysteria, provocation and lies". Seriously, when these guys get into bed at night, what do they think? Do they experience even a glimmer of doubt about whether they are doing the right thing? Or conscience is genuinely clean?

It is really getting disturbing.

Earlier today you posted a link to a video or two, unconfirmed if real or fake, showing only a very short story without context, and you are basing like already 20 posts on them. Some people reading only your later conversation would assume that Ukrainians (for sure) committed the same atrocities as Russians. And with 20 posts you are engraving such a message into brains of people reading it. Don't you see that you are playing into Russian propaganda? And it doesn't matter, if you do it knowingly or just in a heat of discussion, but you really do. So think about it. Think how much damage such posts can really do.

Clean, they are psychopaths, which means sociopaths in common sense..

Why do people even bother sitting around listening to this clown. As soon as he opens his mouth everyone should leave, the cameras and lights turned off and leave him sitting in the dark. He should eventually be arrested and handed over to the Ukranians.

You think? I don't see them as any different to Putin. He's Putins Goebbels. I'd say he sleeps like a baby. Just like that psychotic bitch they used to roll out at the start of the conflict.

Poster has a few explanations for his views (edit: his reasons why Ukraine wants to join the EU when it is so awful according to him).

The Ukrainians and their leadership are suffering from erm, "false consciousness" wanting to join the EU. They perhaps are naive, don't know the beast like the Wise British maybe?

Or the EU is some "cartel" (said this a few times), so it stands over everyone around Europe waving their trade willy about, forcing countries join up or else.

It's, whisper it, almost as bad as Russia really. He's made (more than) a few posts putting a lot of blame on France & Germany's policies for Russia's war.

As you say it is a such load of dribble and very British-brexiteerish. More swivel eyed creatures on the right of the Tories were maligning it as the "EU-SSR" for years and now these people run the Conservative party and of course the UK government and their view is British policy so dyr is in good (or exalted) company in a way.

Ah well, I'm sure Putin has been laughing up his sleeves at the whole thing for a long time.