New referendum on dispora voting due

no representation without taxation.

What would be your effective tax rate as an Irish person living in Canada or Germany? Yikes.

I don't personally think you should be allowed vote unless you live here and are impacted by your choices tbh.

That includes being in and paying into our system.

it isn't. you just don't understand what I am saying. The original phrase from from the beginnings of the american war of independence was no taxation without representation i.e. they were being taxed and received no presentation in parliament in return. My point is that nobody should have representation if they don't contribute to the country. I thought that was pretty clear but perhaps i should have dumbed it down. ROFL.

I'd be dead set against it.

Decisions on who should hovern us should not be swayed by those not living here.

Why. They chose to leave. They weren't sent away. It's not impacting their rights their decisions on location impact that the same as it impacts their social security entitlements.

My relatives abroad wouldn't bother voting because they said they don't know anything about our politicians or politics any more and they're not even interested. They left (like many others) because there was nothing here for them.

Which may be how a lot of diaspora would view it. For much larger, high profile votes though, like constitutional referendums, there may be plenty who might wish to exercise their right to weigh in on something so momentous.

So you admit, it's the wrong way around and you used the phrase incorrectly in order the make a poorly made point?

The 'No representation without taxation' crowd are a weird bunch, a throwback to the age of Victoria where only the wealthy and landowner class had a vote. This is the same argument in a contemporary fashion.

Then of course we have 40% odd of working people who pay no income tax in this country. Does the same soundbite apply to them? We also have emigrants abroad who still own property, businesses and have capital in this country, who do pay tax.... are they to be exempt?

Again, pretty much all have ignored the fact that Ireland is an outlier here in European terms. Do the 'No representation without taxation' crowd think that Irish Exceptionalism overrule here?

Lastly, the proposal is for a vote for the presidency, which has the power to do sweet **** all, so no, some foreign Irish lads wont be voting in higher levels of tax anytime soon, so you can put away those pitch forks.

How much change does the Presidency confer to the average Irish person?

Nada!

ROFL!

You are correct about the ECJ. Ireland will have to change its way in the way it treats its citizens who reside abroad. Alas, there is still many dinosaurs in Ireland who have a caveman view on things, as evidenced in this thread.

I guess the same Dinosaurs among us will want an Irexit because of those pesky Europeans telling us what to do!

I deliberately reversed it to make a point. have you received a bang on the head recently?

the irish abroad have no right to vote in irish elections but you want that to be the case.

We should let the whole world vote for our president, the position matters little in the grand scheme of things. (That's a bit facetious but representation via paying tax doesn't really apply in this case in the same way voting for TDs, MEPs and councillors would).

It's proposed for the presidential election, nothing else. Our president just signs the laws and is otherwise a diplomat. They don't run the country.

I don't know why you imagine I know more about this proposal than you. It's just a newspaper article for now. Presumably all will be revealed in due course and then we can vote on it. Incidentally there have been a fair number of referenda that have failed as they tried to go through the Dail or the people just rejected them. This one has a low turnout written all over it so one would assume there would be more than one to vote on at the same time.