ESB eCars

In fairness, eCars have had the opportunity for years to improve the situation & we've seen how well they've done.

Can Applegreen do any worse? They'll invariably do better & given charging costs are close to 50c/kWh now, at a minimum, & with thousands of new EVs appearing on the roads here, there'll be profit in it.

I see it as a good move.

When CircleK start putting resources in here, things will start to move more quickly. Well, as quickly as ESBN allow grid connections/upgrades!

Yes and as mentioned anyone who charges at a train station while in work. Short delay could cost €8.

Night time charging is not incentivised and should be due to electricity's lower carbon intensity at night. Subscribers should be allowed avail of a low cost night rate. Folks without home charger using 50kW DC during peak periods won't reduce the country's CO2 emissions as much as night charging on average.

Oh and PHEVs can stay for ten hours guilt free :-)

What car would even take 10 hours on AC. The only ones I can think of are the likes of big battery OEM cars with 7kW onboard chargers. Early Kona, EQC both had battery and only 7 kW onboard charger. Oh... and the 30kWh leaf came with a 3.3kW as standard.

Unless you have one of those, it's likely that you wont be hit by this overstay.

If you start at 9pm and finish 8 hours later at 5am and move the car at 10am, you wont be hit with the overstay fee. The overstay fees for ecars only apply if the car is actively charging.

@ELM327 - but the Ioniq actually disconnects from the DC charger at 94%, so it looks to the ESB software (correctly) like the car is no longer connected. Even though of course the car is still taking up the parking space. Which they can not check. If you leave a car AC charging, it is still connected (whether you are actually charging or not) and you will get the overcharge fee. Unless of course if you physically disconnect the cable

Double chargers will be far less busy per charger than single sites. At gorey it makes no financial sense as some business will go to ionity even if they have 2 chargers. Financially they would be better on other sites with less competition like sites without Tesla and ionity, but grid then may be an issue. They could load share with existing supply if the charger has the feature. I think esb also want matching government funding or similar, they don't want to go providing more at their own expense. They may be disorganised and incompetent too. Not providing a backup AC charger on the M1 motorway services when cabling is in place is really giving the 2 fingers up to users. It's probably one of the busiest sites in the country. Even easygo have said double 50kW+ chargers don't make financial sense at most sites. I would be happy to pay a premium at such sites

After 45 minutes your car was probably charging very slowly. You can see sometimes on cars display the rate of charging, on some esb chargers you can see the rate on a meter near the ground on side of charger. The charger may be capable of 50kW and you may have been charging at 10kW or less. From your and ESBs point of view encouraging you to leave and come back when you can take full 50kW another day makes sense. If you need full 100% for some strange reason an AC charger would be better use of resources and at some sites there are AC chargers nearby or next to charger or even an AC socket built in.

In terms of your time charging from 10% to 80% that's efficient of your time, you could be in and out in 30 minutes depending on car. Having queued for others to finish charging I put value on a fee for those who charge to 100% when they should possibly move on from their own point of view. My ioniq won't even let me charge above 94% on a CCS charger.

With no home charger (work charging is possible) and an LFP battery that is recommended to charge to 100% rather than 80% it makes more sense for me and the longevity of the battery to charge to 100% rather than drive off and come back.

This is not what happens on either of our ioniqs. Past one was a 171 which we sold in 2019 and the current one is a 172 bought in Q2 last year.

I went back in the app and unfortunately the two sessions I wanted you to look at arent there. I had an overnight stay where I parked the first Ioniq at an AC point overnight and it completed charging 6 hours before I collected it the next morning. The second was the plugged in not charging on DC. I have no data before Dec 2019 in my app.

I have noticed that the LFP battery will continue taking 40kW even when over 90% full, doesn't take long to get to the 100%

Now that is sweet. Long LiFe the LiFePo4 batteries 😁 wish all EVs would move to them.

Ha! I was presuming everyone behaves as they should and stay with their cars for a fast charge :-)