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Can a Doctor Refuse to See Unvaccinated Patients (non covid related)?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE COVID VACCINE!!!!!!

    Why am I even talking to you when you can't even read the discussion you're engaging in?

    And to respond to your "I expect the Doctor knows what they are doing" comment:

    Me and my friend both have (had) the same doctor.

    She is fully vaccinated. (Measles, MMR, all that jazz).

    She ( and her family) can no longer be at his practice because she refused the 6in1 vaccine for her child.

    Meanwhile I am still at the practice, having NEVER had a vaccine in my entire life. Not one of them. None. Now needle contain a vaccine has ever penetrated my skin.

    So yeah, "knows what he is doing" 🤔

    and to repeat:

    THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE COVID VACCINE!!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    It is about Covid vaccine as there are strict laws thorought the world because of Covid... i am not bothered if you talk to me or not... that's my opinion..



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    She's Covid vaccinated. Her child is too young to get a Covid vaccine.

    How exactly is this about the covid vaccine? Cannot wait to here your logic on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Her child is at the age of her first round of vaccines and my friend is not willing to get her child vaccinated because of several concerns, with not only the vaccine but of her child's current health.

    This is your original post... i want to agree with you as i did not get the booster until my Covid cert was going to run out after 9 Months... It seems the Doctor and your friend do not agree on giving vaccines to children... for what its worth i agree with your friend...



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    Yes dude, her child is of the age of first round of vaccines, meaning 3 months old. Not the covid vaccine.

    And for what it is worth my friend has only refused the 6in1 vaccine for her child at this time and will consider the next round of child immunisations when they come around soon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    i feel sorry for your friend as i was not aware vaccines came that quick for children..



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    My friend asked questions her Dr couldn't answer, so she informed him she would speak with her gastroenterologist about it

    Out of curiosity, what kind of questions were asked? Whilst GPs cannot know everything about medecine, sometimes they do need to research a topic and/or refer patients on to someone who has more experience. Was this offered and refused?

    I find it strange that the GP did not refer her to a gastroenterologist or someone who could answer her questions. Had she a gastroenterologist already?



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    She had a few concerns but her main was with the inclusion of tetanus and would it have an impact on her child like it did on her. Her child is also colic.

    She is seeing a gastroenterologist and her GP is aware of this. I think that may be why he has such a negative attitude towards her.

    Their relationship was always fine but I think he was not happy with her coming off her medication for her autoimmune issues almost two years ago. And this is despite her having a dramatic improvement in her health since.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Yeah, I still believe that there is a lot more to the tale that we've been told.

    "Every truth has two sides; it is as well to look at both, before we commit ourselves to either." — Aesop



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    Why?

    Was it because my answers didn't satisfy your own biases?


    And nice quote and all Seth but you're a moderator on a site where you're only ever going to hear one side of the argument - which makes your comment a little bizarre to be honest.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Why?


    Was it because my answers didn't satisfy your own biases?

    You are giving loose details about a conversation between a GP and your friend. You were not there for this discussion and have absolutely no idea what was discussed, how your friend reacted to the doctor's advice or anything except what they have told you and your own assumptions.

    And nice quote and all Seth but you're a moderator on a site where you're only ever going to hear one side of the argument - which makes your comment a little bizarre to be honest.

    It is a vary apt quote for what is being discussed. It is not my fault if you took offence to me being sceptical to much of what you've told us.

    FYI I'm not a moderator of the LD forum and so am just a regular poster here. It is not a moderator's responsibility to check each post to see how truthful it is!



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    So, one can only comment on situations where the person was actually privy to the conversation, otherwise folk like you like to doubt the validity of what was said. Got it. If everyone took your viewpoint this forum would not exist. I know that's not the moderators role, but insinuating that original posters are embellishing the truth is not conducive to a good discussion - something which I assumed a moderator would be aware of.

    For the record, I've no reason to lie or embellish the truth in any way. I came on here looking for information. The situation is exactly how I present, granted I wasn't in the actual room. And if you had any more questions about my "loose details" you could just ask.

    Post edited by androlyn on


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I did not say that you embillished the truth. I said that you don't know the truth. You have been given some information by your friend but beyond that, we simply do not know - it is completely wrong for you to claim "The situation is exactly how I present" because of the fact that you were not there. Anything you've been told was not a full and complete description of events.

    If the GP were posting here do you really think they would describe events exactly as you have outlined?



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    I'm taking what my friend has told me in good faith as I know she is a reliable person.

    From my understanding of what my friend told me the situation is exactly how I present it.

    I'm not quite sure how the GP would present his side any differently.

    I also left a comment on another post of yours to show how counter productive your comment that "offence" to is. Just imagine if everyone was to take that attitude.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,651 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    A medical specialist would communicate diagnosis and treatment to a patients GP, it would be highly unusual not to, particularly if the specialist was going against the GPs opinion on how best to treat their patient. It’s possible the op/friend is attending someone who is practicing alternative medicine, or receiving advice online. I could see why a GP would be reluctant to continue to tend to a family where the parents are taking advice from an unconventional source.



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    Her gastroenterologist is based overseas. However, he never advised her not to give the vaccine to her child. He said it was potential risk and then discussed all the pros and cons. He then left it with her to make a decision which she could discuss with her GP.

    My friend see her gastroenterologist because of her issues autoimmune issues. When her GP informed her now was the time to vaccinate her baby she had questions he could not answer so she asked her gastroenterologist. Her "source" is one of the best in the world and far from unconventional.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Where is her "source" based?

    If they are that reputable, surely you can name them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,651 ✭✭✭✭Dav010




  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    Her "source". What's you agenda here pal?

    And no I am not mentioning her gastroenterologist (who is a certified doctor) considering I have already shared personal information for both her and what her doctor said in confidence.

    TF is wrong with you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,651 ✭✭✭✭Dav010




  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    No. She has a gastroenterologist - who she has visited several times.

    I don't know picture your creating but it's not based on any of the information I have been sharing 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,651 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Why isn’t the gastro communicating with her GP?



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    Her child is not a patient of the gastroenterologist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    You’re not making much sense I’m afraid. Your friend and her family are dissatisfied with their current GP so need to look for a GP that better meets their very specific needs.

    This is quite common and happens all the time. Why is she continuing to insist on being a patient at this practice? As a mother myself this is mystifying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    None of this makes any sense. The world renowned gastro who cannot be named….who’s based abroad and isn’t treating the child but is happy to issue recommendations about the child’s medical care which just happen to fit the approach of the mother of the child…being unhappy with the GP but continuing to place children in his care and indeed, insisting that theGP MUST continue to treat them despite him not wanting too… no. No sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    I'm not sure how you're struggling to make sense of this situation. Maybe you need to read all of my posts first?

    I'm sorry for coming onto a legal discussion board to find out if my friends GP was within his rights to refuse to treat her family.

    Tell me this, as a mother, would you rather your GP was 1.5 miles away or 36 miles away?



  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    Yes, I have given personal information about what was said in the room, so I am not going to reveal his name. I'm not quite sure the relevance of knowing his name in all this is - maybe you could enlighten me?

    Yes he's abroad. My friend wanted a solution to her autoimmune illness that didn't involve medication for the rest of her life. This specialist came highly recommended.

    He discussed her child with her due to the relationship he has with my friend but he did not make any recommendations.

    You know autoimmune illnesses can be hereditary right?

    And she wants to remain at that practice because it's closest to her family. Next available one is almost 40 miles away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,993 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    If she doesn't want trust that doctor's advice, then why would she want to continue seeing him? Seems like a waste of everyone's time?

    What's her ideal situation here? The doctor changes his medical treatment because she doesn't feel it's right for her child?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 42 androlyn


    She's going to struggle to find another doctor anywhere in the country that's well informed of vaccines and gut health/auto immune issues. Thankfully there are plenty more uses for doctors than these two issues.

    The ideal situation here is she remains at the practice as it's far closer to her home.

    She's not asking him to change anything at all? Refusing the vaccine is not changing his treatments.

    I don't know if you read previously but I mentioned I am also a patient of his (albeit I haven't been "home" in months), and yet I am completely unvaccinated. I have never had one single vaccination.



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