Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

I expected nothing less from you yose.

Mick Wallace came out with that spiel two, three weeks ago on the local radio.

Where did he get that from?

It wasn't himself it was direct from Moscow.

What else did he say?

He said giving Ukraine arms will result in carnage. He said Russia will win this war. He was wrong on that. Since they tried to march on kyiv and liquidate the government literally.

He said this is war between Russia and nato. Nato haven't entered the war.

He said they should have talks with putin instead of fighting back. There's talks everyday. Even ambromovich got poisoned by the Kremlin for his troubles.

He said the Russian soldiers are boys just being sent to do their duty. Their duty seemingly was to rape women and children, pillage, steal, execute civilians in villages and burn their bodies, eat their dogs.

He said putin is wrong but taking arms against putin is not the answer.

Oh and he had that spiel of calling anyone a racist that helps Ukraine.

Completely toxic stuff..

All coming direct from the Kremlin.

Then I've come to realise yose is Russians see no harm in barbarity as long as it benefits their bottom line and mother Russia. The whole world sees what they are now.

Even the nazi Russians and followers can't bury this in this day and age especially like they do with media in their own nazi state.

Nazis still think their immune from harm. But they've phucked their country by taking this action.

So it's easy for you to go up on the high moral ground and look down on people now because they are outraged at what is happening, but for one it's on Europe's doorstep, it's being carried out by the largest and most savage regime that the world has not seen since the Nazi's. Number two is it's live and in real time being broadcast to the world which never happened before.

Yes lot of wrongs around the world. I think it is getting worse. The days of the people being able to up rise and overthrow there own governments is over. We seen this in Hong Kong. These Authoritarianism regimes have become expert in controlling and keeping everyone in check. There is no voice of opposition in China, Russia or in any other place you mentioned, they just get "taken care of".

And while we p1ss about with Russia we put ourselves in an even weaker position to stop China breaking the rules which is a threat much greater than Russia ever could be.

All the while the west encourages many southern countries to align with China.

America is probably the country with the most blood on it's hands by far since the end of ww2. Between active war, destabilising countries and supplying terrorists. Millions of deaths and ruined lives because of them. But Russia is the big problem.

Can't see the woods from the trees. The Russians have gone in levelled towns shot civilians raped and plundered all in front of them on a scale not seen before but you compare it every wrong in the world.

TBh Bass your in no position to accuse others of spouting drivel.

Yosemitesam posed a few very uncomfortable questions, all the while acknowledging the horrors the Ukranian people are suffering.

The foundation of your argument was "in some countries we can do little".

How is that an acceptable stance?

What are the Dubs up to! Not one of them will sell the Russians a drop of home heating oil. The poor bastrads.

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It sounds like he was fairer than the rest.

Especially fairer than the pro Russian president before him who jailed any pro Europeans and face it disappeared people.

You can't align the Ukrainian people with what these scum in Russian uniforms and guns are doing to the people of Ukraine.

The country has to start somewhere and just as they were about to start, Russian forces invade and destroy the country and kill it's people.

I've said it before and it was in response to a post about civil war. The fairest way is shift out anyone that identifies themselves as Russian that are a threat to the state out of the country to Russia and let the Russians take care of them on Russian soil. Rather than the German ww2 nonsense of invading and annexing a country based on German people living there. Russia just copied the playbook. With same excuse. Shift them out, no annexation of Eastern and Southern areas to russia. No excuse then for further hostility down the line and no excuse for further annexations. Russia of course to pay all reparations for damage caused to the entire country. And made law to have a day of sorrow in Russia for it's aggression.

Wishful thinking but ..

Is what I post worse than the fake news updates from twitter?

There seems to be little thought given to the end game of this conflict.

Hoping Putin gets a bullet in the head or for Ukraine to be able to drive Russia out seems to be as good as it gets.

Both are very unlikely.

The sanctions will have more impact on the common person in the eu over the coming year than they will on the common Russian person.

They are not going to convince Putin to retreat and apologise.

We could stop the gas and oil but there is a very big risk that we would hit our own economy and euro far harder than Russia.

We have no great strategy that will bring positive results for anyone especially the Ukrainians.

Some ground has to be given up to Putin even though that might be a hard pill to swallow.

Kiev was all but lost at the end of February to wasnt it? The next 10 days will tell alot, if the Russians mess up their new revised objectives to shore up Donbass/take Mauripol and get Odessa, they're f**ked to put it mildly unless putin uses chemical weapons our goes full-on tactical nukes

So what should the West do. Stop arming Ukraine. Allow Russia to take it over. Then Moldova next let the Russians waltz in as well. What about the Baltic states, Poland.Maybe give Taiwan to China.

I forgot where this happened before.et me think. Did this ever happen in history before and be successful. Did Japan stop at Manchuria. Would Mussolini have stopped after Ethiopia and Albania. Did Hitler stop at Austria, the Sudetenlands, would he have stopped after Poland.

Where do you suggest we draw the line

To add to that, who started the war in 2014

They wouldn't be able to go further bass. Even taking the whole of Ukraine would be a massive undertaking and to do that they would need to have scaled things up much more and have been ready to accept massive loss of equipment and men.

That's before you even start to think of how would they extract wealth out of a country if too many of it's population are dead, flee or are willing to put up any resistance over the long term.

It would be a pointless exercise unless you had the population of china and could colonise it.

The last few weeks have shown us that a modern war between countries is different to those in the past.

Its much much harder to invade and take over. Tanks and aircraft don't offer the same superiority that they did in the past before defense systems had caught up. Accepting massive attrition on both sides is the only way for progress to be made.

China is the only country who could take on a war of that magnitude. Russia doesn't have a hope of going empire building.

There's a deal to be done with Putin, and the focus should be on getting that done. There's games being played that aren't helping the cause and that is not helping the common Ukrainian.