An aspect of your demeanor that you've corrected

Brid Hegarty · 25-11-2021 4:07pm

I had to ask myself, have I ever had my head down like in the below screen shot during a discussion; and yes I think I might have. You can see that Jordan Peterson puts his head way down in the middle of discussion as he gathers his thoughts while being unaware of how bad it looks. He then continues talking with the head down which could look slightly autistic... he should be sitting up straight. I can understand why he does this gesture due to the pressure being put on him from the opposition at that point in time in the debate. This is an aspect about myself that I will need to be aware of myself.

You can see this in various parts of the below video such as 8:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAAMuH5908E&ab_channel=TheMajorityReportw%2FSamSeder

25-11-2021 4:30pm

I wish I could deal with my impatience, or rather that I wasn’t so impatient. I can’t cope with queues in particular, more so if I see people “deliberately” taking their time at a check-out, fumbling for coins etc. Equally when I’m a cause of delaying others I’m intolerant of myself and vocally self-deprecating. I always expect everyone to be well organised, have their ducks in a row. I thought with passage of years I’d mellow a bit, but now aged 60 I’m worse than ever as my general energy levels have risen in recent years owing to successful treatment of a medical condition that had slowed me down for years. It’s like I have been ever more desperate to “catch up”.

According to my late mother I was born hyper-energetic, could never slow down, sit down or sleep. All was fine as long as I was allowed to expend my energy. She said she believed I was born with ADHD but this was not a diagnosis sought not offered back then. Talking to others affected since, I pretty well know she was right. So not much point in trying to change it, but to find ways of expending this energy in the form of finding absorbing interests and learning new stuff all the time. On a good note I have greater than average endurance and understanding, but moment to moment I can just lose it.

French Toast · 25-11-2021 6:11pm

When I was 17-18 I had a brief thing with a girl whose brother was severely disabled. It made me refrain from using the word retard/retarded to describe something/someone in a negative way.

Relatively small thing but 10 years later it has still stuck with me.

nj27 · 25-11-2021 7:25pm

I used to be really condescending and arrogant when I was in my teens and early 20s. Changed that quickly, I'm on some straight saint sh1t these days. I've been a saint for years.

grassmoon · 25-11-2021 8:29pm

Groping womens' arses

26-11-2021 11:17pm

Being a far-left arsehole.

CGI_Livia_Soprano · 26-11-2021 11:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118221614#Comment_118221614

Jordan Peterson is a pseudo-intellectual grifter who has also suffered from severe traumas from the past few years, from addiction to narcotics to being in a coma.

The BBC really shouldn’t be giving him airtime, even before his health issues he was a rubbish talker non-pareil. Now, from looking at his Twitters and recent interviews with him, I think he’s actually mentally deficient. He’s definitely lost a yard in the old noggin.

Mad_maxx · 27-11-2021 2:41am

I'm hopefully getting his book for Xmas

Strumms · 27-11-2021 3:24am

I’m less inclined to ‘put up’ with people. Less inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt....less inclined to make excuses for people... I’m not so easy going at times i used to be very easy going and it cost me....these days if people or entities cause me a problem I tend to cause two back..

Sgt Hartman · 27-11-2021 1:10pm

I'm a lot more open minded and a lot less gullible than I was in my twenties. I don't suffer fools as gladly as I used to either. I don't pretend to be nice anymore to certain people I don't like, especially at work.

Patsy167 · 27-11-2021 3:45pm

When you're 18, you worry about what everybody is thinking of you; when you're 40, you don't give a darn what anybody thinks of you; when you're 60, you realize nobody's been thinking about you at all. People spend their days worrying and thinking about themselves, not you.

Brid Hegarty · 28-11-2021 2:38pm

@Patsy167 People spend their days worrying and thinking about themselves, not you.

But it's when they do think (worry) of you that they form their opinion!

Brid Hegarty · 28-11-2021 2:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118231531#Comment_118231531

That last line reminds me of a certain lyric in that song 'Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now'

Brid Hegarty · 28-11-2021 2:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118229656#Comment_118229656

Yeah. He needs to eat some carbs! I was a bit suspicious about the drug addiction and if the story he's telling about how it came to be, is true! He needed to go to Russia to get treatment? and have his daughter go on youtube (half dressed) to announce his condition.

28-11-2021 2:53pm

Brid Hegarty · 28-11-2021 3:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118229515#Comment_118229515

And now you're centre?

Brid Hegarty · 28-11-2021 3:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118230690#Comment_118230690

Joke?

Mad_maxx · 28-11-2021 3:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118235450#Comment_118235450

I don't understand?

Brid Hegarty · 28-11-2021 3:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118235482#Comment_118235482

Oh you might actually get a JP book for Christmas! Okay, well be aware it could be quite long winded... or at least that's what I've heard.

MrMusician18 · 28-11-2021 4:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886331#Comment_117886331

I know this is a bit of an Irish trope, but I've never actually encountered it.

Mad_maxx · 28-11-2021 5:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118235520#Comment_118235520

I'm often a bit long winded myself

Yurt2 · 28-11-2021 7:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118229656#Comment_118229656

Whatever your opinion of him positive or negative, the man is not a 'pseudo-intellectual', he's an actual intellectual. He's quite literally paid to think for a living. Before his public prominence, he was a prominent clinical psychologist teaching out of a top-20 global university.There's nothing 'pseudo' about that.

I'm not entirely uncritical of the man, but there's very little doubt that he has added to the quality of the debate about lazy accepted wisdoms in the 21st century that have been given free reign by cynical interest groups. And it is a breath of fresh air to have someone like him on major media outlets thrashing out these matters as opposed to boors like Jeremy Clarkson or the usual talking heads peddling their boilerplate agendas without being challenged.

Mad_maxx · 28-11-2021 9:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118236463#Comment_118236463

JP had a fatwah issued against him by the progressive ayatollahs three or four years ago for the WOKE crime of questioning the likes of " trans " ideology so the gormless followers must now duly denounce him with dopey labels like " Grifter " in order to signal their virtue and faith

He has a slightly annoying voice but his message is pure common sense from what I've observed on line , eminently sensible

CGI_Livia_Soprano · 28-11-2021 10:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118236463#Comment_118236463

He is the dictionary definition of a pseudo-intellectual. If you listen to him waffle on about “low resolution thinking” or “neo Marxist leftists” and try to unspool it you realise that he is simply talking a load of auld guff. He’s full of hot air and bluster but he sounds confident and smart so thick people fall for it.

Maybe he is a competent clinical psychologist but what he is actually known for (his writing, his public speaking, and his social commentary) are desperately, desperately poor and often contradictory. He will talk about “cleaning your room” before challenging the world while trying to pose as a self-help guru whose personal life is in complete disarray, or hark back to traditional stoic masculinity only to cry about Disney films.

He’s a grifter, and a charlatan, and he should stick to helping waitresses getting over eating disorders because a public intellectual he ain’t.

CGI_Livia_Soprano · 28-11-2021 10:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237083#Comment_118237083

More like he issued a fatwah against himself when he opted to be induced into an extremely risky coma in Russia to treat his drug addiction.

Or his daughter issued a fatwah against him when she gave him Covid she caught while partying in a nightclub in Belgrade, when he was recovering.

I take no pleasure in telling people these but some this is the kind of self-help guru he is: one whose life is a complete disaster from stupid decisions he, or the people he influences the most, have made. Heal thyself, physician.

Yurt2 · 28-11-2021 10:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237264#Comment_118237264

He gets paid to think. You're posting on the internet about disagreeing with a man paid to think. His function in society and his paycheque is quite literally related to his intellect (how ever big or small you may think it to be).

He's an intellectual by any reasonable definition - I think you need to reconcile yourself with that. You need to check what brand of dictionary you're working off.

Spinning-off from your post, when I see people posting about 'pseudo-intellectuals', they are usually just in some sort of disagreement with said person, can't quite articulate why in any convincing sense, so resort to ad-hominem.

Mad_maxx · 28-11-2021 10:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237374#Comment_118237374

I don't need someone to be a monk to accept their solid advice, much of what he says about even non political and cultural hot topics is useful

Stuff about how comparing yourself to people who have had an entirely different set of circumstances and experiences to yourself

The WOKE congregation are told to hate him so they line up to put the boot in as a way of signalling their devotion and purity

Yurt2 · 28-11-2021 10:59pm

Poking fun at addictions and attempting to diminish people's significant achievements is pretty cheap btw.

Hemmingway was an alcoholic; Charles Dickens an opium addict; Van Gogh an alcoholic too; Kafka an inveterate sex addict who frequented brothels.

None of their achievements are diminished by the above, and none of their vices make them 'pseudo' anything.

CGI_Livia_Soprano · 28-11-2021 11:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237416#Comment_118237416

“Paid to think.” Lots of people are “paid to think,” he’s hardly the only person in the world ever hired by a university to “think.”

Every topic Peterson has made any kind of observation about in his capacity as a public intellectual is either masked by verbosity so that his meaning is always conveniently ambiguous or wrong, just plain wrong. All of it. Enforced monogamy, swamp witches, chaos dragons, 🦞. The whole lot. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about outside of the realm of clinical psychology.

Yurt2 · 28-11-2021 11:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237476#Comment_118237476

By any reasonable definition, he's an intellectual. It may be your strongly held opinion he's bad at it - but hey, maybe you're sh*tty at your job, I still wouldn't try to deny whatever your role in life is even if that was the case.

CGI_Livia_Soprano · 28-11-2021 11:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237449#Comment_118237449

I’ve never poked fun at his addiction, however it is rich that a man who literally preached that a person has to set his own life in order before he can change the world literally had to take a pause from lecturing the public on how to behave because he developed an addiction to narcotics. Not only that but he resorted to treating his addiction with some bizarre experimental coma nonsense. What terrible judgement from a self help guru.

Call it an ad hominem all you like but it’s a fact: He needs to roll up his sleeves and clean his own room before he can tell anyone to clean theirs.

Feisar · 28-11-2021 11:13pm

I used to drink to much to keep the monsters at bay, however now I've a leash on them.

Yurt2 · 28-11-2021 11:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237505#Comment_118237505

Cmon now. He was addicted to benzodiazepines, which is a prescription medication for treating anxiety. Your use of the word "narcotics" is burying the lead trying to make out he was getting skagged off his head on street corner drugs.

You're being silly and rather nasty about this in my assessment.

Yurt2 · 28-11-2021 11:18pm

Benzo addict or not, the man has found professional success as an intellectual and academic that I doubt you'd enjoy if you had 100 lifetimes to have a go at it.

That's reality.

CGI_Livia_Soprano · 28-11-2021 11:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237521#Comment_118237521

I never made any such thing. You’re inventing these biases, I don’t morally differentiate between addictions to narcotics, “skag,” or alcoholic or gambling or whatever. You’re the one tripping over yourself trying to get people to adhere to strict definitions, not me.

CGI_Livia_Soprano · 28-11-2021 11:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237537#Comment_118237537

Please calm down and chill with the ad hominem attacks. I don’t think much of Peterson as a so-called intellectual, so what of it? If you can only take this kind of discussion personally then maybe stick to some forum where only pro-Peterson views are allowed.

Yurt2 · 28-11-2021 11:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237559#Comment_118237559

He was addicted to prescription anxiety medication. You were trying to run the man down because of that with a sly inference it was illegal substances, belittling the issues of anxiety addiction, and trying to cut him down on the back of it.

Tall poppy syndrome, and in the spirit of the thread, you probably ought to take a look at correcting that.

CGI_Livia_Soprano · 28-11-2021 11:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237582#Comment_118237582

I firmly believe that people who are addicted to illegal substances deserve as much care as people who are addicted to legal substances, if not more. You have invented any kind of opposing implication to make it sound like I am discrediting Peterson for being addicted to benzos.

On the contrary: I pity him for being addicted to benzos. However I do discredit him for the manner in which he treated it (some whack-a-do coma job in Russia) because any truly intelligent person would have probably gone to a real doctor (for example Peterson’s compatriot Dr Gabor Maté, who is an expert in treating addiction and a true intellectual) instead of getting some quack to put him under for a few weeks in Moscow.

All this “tall poppy syndrome,” “well I bet he’s still smarter than you nyah nyah” stuff is childish. You need to grow up a little and learn to cope with seeing someone criticising your heroes.

Yurt2 · 28-11-2021 11:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237572#Comment_118237572

You don't have to like him, nobody is demanding anything of the sort. You made a weird interjection in a thread because someone mentioned Peterson, went off on a mad off-topic one about him being a 'pseudo-intellectual' and an addict when he is quite literally an intellectual by definition.

You haven't been attacked by the way, unless an observation that you indulge in tall poppy syndrome is considered an attack. *Shrug*

Yurt2 · 28-11-2021 11:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237620#Comment_118237620

He's not my hero. And I'm not sure where you got that idea. And sorry not sorry, on the evidence presented I'll be ranking his intellect before yours. *shrugs again*

I'll double back to the original point, the man is an intellectual by definition, and anyone (and yes you) trying to do the 'pseudo' thing because you don't like him and have a hard time articulating why that's not engaging in nastiness, are quite frankly silly.

Brid Hegarty · 29-11-2021 2:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118237487#Comment_118237487

The excess hand gestures are one of many things that give him away as a bullsh1tter. He shouldn't be getting paid to think if his thoughts bring him to conclusions like "a man who approaches a woman for the sole intention to have sexual intercourse is psychopathic". He possibly just saw a market with the social justice warrior thing. A lot of the young men who follow him would have otherwise considered self help to be a sissy thing so merely started to follow JP because he happened to share his opinion about social justice warriors.

I didn't like him on the Bill Maher show either (during the Trump presidency) where he made an attempt to act as if he didn't have an agenda. He said dems should "welcome republicans back into the fold" and that "you need to be respectful of our fellow citizens". Now it's hard to argue against that, but it is the sort of advice that could cause the left to let their guard down.

Brid Hegarty · 01-12-2021 12:03pm

When I was younger in college I used to ask questions in class thinking "this sounds like an intelligent question, I'll ask it". Where as now I'm more inclined to ask myself thinks like "do I really want to know anyway?" "am I just slowing things down?", "am I being a suck up to the lecturer?", "am I showing off my knowledge?", "what do I really expect the answer to be?"

I'm now more able to ask myself if maybe there's a good reason the teacher didn't venture into the area of such a question in the first place. Or maybe it was something that I thought was relevant when I first thought of the question, but now doesn't seem so much at a later stage when I get the chance to ask it.

Brid Hegarty · 12-12-2021 1:03pm

I'm a very directional person. Often I notice that when explaining something to someone that I might point in the direction of something of where something happened. It can be hard for me to realise that they don't necessarily know (or need to know) the location of the incident that I'm talking about. They just need to know what happened. But I do it without thinking. It mightn't be me pointing. It just might be me tilting my head.

Another similar thing to this is that often when talking to someone, in knowing what I'm about to say next I can sometimes start giving the associated gesture slightly ahead of time.

Brid Hegarty · 26-12-2021 7:04pm

Not letting people interrupt me is something I struggled with. The thing was, because it began to annoy me so much, if I correct someone I wouldn't trust myself not to get carried away with anger... which would of course would change the entire mood of the group. The trick is, to correct the person but to do so in a joking way as if to imply you're not hurt. All that matters is that the point is made. Then, immediately go back to what you were saying (before interrupted) without even giving them a chance to respond, while acting as if it never happened. That is how you do it.

Before I used to take the view that I should be saying more interesting things to reduce my chance of being interrupted. But then when I listen to what others are saying I realised it's all pure sh1te. If you get angry about it then you look like you're trying to prove some pointless point by remaining present within the group when they know you really don't want to be there.

My auntie in law is very bad at interrupting people who might be a bit more quiet in conversation. One day recently when 5 of us were talking around the table, her husband began a separate conversation with my father while she continued talking to my sister. When they both began to speak at the same time, she spanned at her husband to shut him up and then went back to what she was saying. Then just as she started off again I cut across her to say "because Rosmay never interrupts anyone". Her husband laughed a little to much at my remark for her liking! Priceless.

Brid Hegarty · 18-02-2022 9:15pm

Another thing about myself that I have to watch. There was one foreign fella at work who's English isn't great who was recently talking about emergency tax, or 'emergency taxi' as he calls it. The first time I heard him say it I said "you mean emergency tax?". He said "yeah emergency tax" pretending as if I'd just imagined him saying it incorrectly, and pretending that he didn't just learn something. I then said "I'm sure you know that a taxi is..." and he nodded.

Then just today he starts talking about emergency taxi again. I nearly went fcuking mad with him... in my head that is. But it bloody well annoys me that there are so many people who have no intention of improving at the spoken language in the country they work in. Whenever you explain something to them and they nod, you have to question if they really understand you.

SCOOP 64 · 18-02-2022 9:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118655767#Comment_118655767

So the foreign fella at work whos English as trouble speaking English as good as you😁

Brid Hegarty · 07-04-2022 6:54pm

Another thing I have realised about myself is what it actually looks like to other people when I have a confused look on my face. Whenever I looked at myself in the mirror over the years I of course wouldn't have had this look... and therefore never questioned it. I often hesitate to ask a question when I'm confused, or I might pretend to understand something that I don't. That's what we all do if we've made the mistake of not listening. So now that I have seen what the facial expression looks like on me, it made me realise that the other person might actually realise that I'm pretending to understand something I don't. If the other person were a bully they would probably get a sense of ownership out seeing your hesitation, fear and confusion on your face. I say 'fear' because I could be afraid to ask such a question if it made me look stupid. But I definitely reckon it's sort of like the look that would leave a bully thinking "I could mess around with this guy so easily". I'll be weary of when I'm showing this expression in future.

Gregor Samsa · 07-04-2022 8:30pm

@Brid Hegarty , do you ever find yourself aware that you’re leaning ever so slightly over to one side when you’re talking to people? While standing up, I mean. Like, giving the impression that one leg is a bit longer than the other?

So you’d be standing there taking away, with the confused look on your face and trying not to be interrupted and all the rest, but you’d also be just slightly leaning over to one side?

For some reason, I just get the impression that you do that. I’m not saying you shouldn’t or anything. Just something to maybe think about, because, well, it’s the kind of thing others would definitely notice.

gameoverdude · 07-04-2022 9:20pm

I'm lost. Is this thread pretty much a monologue/diary?

Liberty_Bear · 10-04-2022 3:13pm

My anger. I had massive problems with being angry at people as I was bullied as a kid but now as I got older I learned to keep my temper under control, not that it was bad

An aspect of your demeanor that you've corrected

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