FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

Dempo1 · 07-04-2022 9:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896010#Comment_118896010

Supermac Burgers have a texture and taste of something that was actually mopped off the floor 😁

brokenangel · 07-04-2022 10:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896010#Comment_118896010

The fact you made reference to Supermacs says it all, as if you should be looking down on a Supermac worker.

You will find nearly every MNC in Ireland use this technique to hire especially with the skills shortage.

Every person that I know spends significant time up-skilling every year and most companies will push for a weekly period to put in additional training, learn new skills.

Nor should you need to upskill for a job you already have. Wow....just WOW

The "conversation" is the usual few posters, outraged and upset about the government. It's nothing new so leave you to the outrage.

Brucie Bonus · 07-04-2022 10:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896087#Comment_118896087

'Wow just wow' my arse.

You are attempting to make the discussion about upskilling in general. It is not.

You brought in on the job upskilling into a conversation about the former CMO being gifted a job he's not qualified for. Upskilling is learning as you go to improve your prospects. Holohan has the professorship. What in gods name are you on about?

If you want to speak generally about upskilling maybe find an employment forum?

Cluedo Monopoly · 07-04-2022 10:16pm

I love the attempts to excuse this. Priceless.

They'd sell their own granny rather than admit a wrongdoing! 😂

07-04-2022 10:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118895741#Comment_118895741

You should learn from blanch and marko and duck for cover!

Dempo1 · 07-04-2022 10:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896142#Comment_118896142

It's extraordinary, curious also, everyone treading very carefully and complimenting Tony and wishing him welll and seem to be forgetting the Position was in essence made up with one candidate in mind (Him), is it evenly slightly believable that Trinity just had a eureka moment about a new post and thought maybe Tony might be interested. He, and He alone was "Interviewed" for this position.

I'd like to know who came up with earth shatteringly exciting new post we are all supposed to feel lucky about.

Tony was done, had no support in government, had nothing to say for months and I've no doubt he was unhappy, he wanted out with salary and pension maintained and someone (yet to be determined) came up with this nonsense and I suspect he had a part to play. Watt also has questions that need answering, he's a loose Cannon that says and does as he pleases, Donnelly seems terrified of him.

FrancieBrady · 07-04-2022 10:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118895800#Comment_118895800

Well maybe I missed officialdom giving that excuse so I am assuming it is your own work?

brokenangel · 07-04-2022 10:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896119#Comment_118896119

It’s not my fault you don’t understand how people are hired. Or the fact when you have a job you still constantly up-skill

The conversation is about a person getting a job is it not?

blanch152 · 07-04-2022 11:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896239#Comment_118896239

It is amazing the number of people who have become expert overnight on what it takes to be an academic. The same posters are experts on profit, misogyny and other issues. Best not to respond to that level of expertise, you only get brought to that level.

Holohan has every quality and experience necessary for the post. He knows more than anyone in the country about the greatest public health challenge this country has ever faced. He mightn't have the book knowledge that some value, but the experience trumps that this time.

FrancieBrady · 07-04-2022 11:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896297#Comment_118896297

We're learning on de job blanch. Sure isn't that how it's done?

Brucie Bonus · 07-04-2022 11:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896297#Comment_118896297

You don't need to be anymore than self aware to know you need academic credentials for an academic position.

Profit, yes that time I was talking about how people get paid to build things for other people all the time and like then as now party lobbyists are trying to make it about what upskilling is to avoid criticism of their team.

It is amazing the number of people who have become expert overnight on what it takes to be an academic.

Yes indeed.

Holohan has every quality and experience necessary for the post.

Oh dear.

The man is being paid as a CMO while working as a professor, a job he's not qualified for, while we'll also be paying for his replacement CMO.

You are okay with this or will it be another Mahon crooked councillors run away scenario?

Brucie Bonus · 07-04-2022 11:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896312#Comment_118896312

See if you work at doing what a doctoral candidate does, before you know it you're a doctor. And if you intern as a professor you can one day become one, even if you left school at 16 and all you have is the junior cert.

brokenangel · 07-04-2022 11:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896297#Comment_118896297

I find it hilarious that the people who seem to think are experts have no idea how people are hired

Plus it’s actually frightening that someone thinks once they get a job they no longer need to up-skill. The same person trying to mock a restaurant worker.

FrancieBrady · 07-04-2022 11:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896389#Comment_118896389

Any precedence here brokenangel?

Never mind your convenient life experience, give us examples of people who have attained this position in Trinity by learning on the job? Is this facility 'to learn on the job' advertised?

Suckit · 08-04-2022 12:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896389#Comment_118896389

Which 'experts' are you referring to?

Is it MarkoDaly and his comment about payment all coming from the same pot (which it doesn't) and ignoring everything else that people are finding issues with, including that there are now two CMO's being paid 'from the same pot' as a CMO, but only one is actually doing the job.

Or is it Blanch, who told us all that Holohan is the best person for the job, when there have been no other people interviewed, the position was literally made for him, and he STILL isn't the best person for it...

Or is it yourself, who seems to think Holohan can take the role of a full professor at €30,000 more than the going rate and do some upskilling to make the grade.. 😂, yet it is evident that he would need an awful lot of upskilling just to make the shortlist for the most junior academic role.

Brucie Bonus · 08-04-2022 1:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896389#Comment_118896389

A number of falsehoods there. You made false claims based on nothing and are referencing them as fact. Its childish, dishonest and made up.

Nobody made claims about how people outside of TCD professors are hired. You made that up.

You are talking about people upskilling on the job. I am not.

Nobody claimed nobody upskills or needs to. You made that up.

Nobody mocked a restaurant worker. You made that up.

All you are doing is trying to avoid discussing the former CMO being gifted a job he's not qualified for, as per the professors at TCD. While we pay his CMO salary and the replacement CMO'S salary.

Dempo1 · 08-04-2022 8:11am

So this is were we are re the Holohan Gig.

A. Department of Health came up with this Bright Idea (And told no one, including Donnelly, the Minister responsible)

B. Holohan was then in Touch with Trinity.

C. The "Makey Uppy Post was then formulated.

D. Holohan attends for "Interview " at Trinity, the only person interviewed for this tremendously exciting post , made up for him.

E. Presumably the DOH then had to work out who's paying for this shenanigans. Came up with a sure we'll just pay Tony's salary and hire a new CMO on similar Salary, "Sure its only public money, who'll notice"

F. Contract Drawn up for Tony with Trinity insuring he maintains his employment status, Salary and pension, paid for by taxpayer via DOH.

G. Robert Watt, gleefully signs off on this nonsense (And tells no one , apart from Tony)

H. Holohan makes an announcement (Deciding not to share all the Juicy, Bits)

I. Politicians, starting with Taoiseach fall over themselves with excitement, paying tribute and praising Holohans , steller public service.

Then the Poo Hits the fan , when it becomes abundantly clear something stinks about this cosy arrangement.

A. Trinity let's it slip they won't be Paying Tony.

B. Tony not actually resigning

C. Donnelly makes an eejit of himself on National radio (Then goes into Hiding)

D. Robert watt called to explain himself, of course doesn't.

E. Sudden dismay sets in with numerous government TD'S, Ministers and Leadership.

F. Tony appears "Privately" before health committee and finally confirms Watt signed off on this.

G. Leo struggles in the Dail and informs us, Michael Mc Grath " is not happy"

H. The debacle Roles on and John Mc Guinness, chairman of Health Committee not at all happy on morning Ireland.

This Makes the Zappone affair, seem positively appropriate in comparison, I'd say Coveney delighted the spotlight off him for a change.

brokenangel · 08-04-2022 8:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896560#Comment_118896560

I said "think they are experts". We certainly have no expert around here. Daily the topic changes and it's the same few posters who come rolling in with their internet degree on the topic. Hilarious that even the smallest bit of information in regards to what happens in every day employment on this subject and pure confusion.

How would you know who is or isn't the best person? I would ask if you have a qualification in HR but I am sure I would get an answer saying you have, such is the norm on boards.

Anyway as I said I was just trying to enlighten a few of you on how people are hired in this day & age. Seems I have failed.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896479#Comment_118896479

You should be able to tell me, after all you seem to think you know better than the people who are hired into a number of government roles.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896634#Comment_118896634

I just gave some info on how people are hired. Your response was to try make a joke out of a person working in a restaurant. As I said "Wow just WOW"

Dempo1 · 08-04-2022 9:10am

Well well , the Taoiseach has spoken.

Secondment is to be "Paused"

"Quite a Mess"

"Dysfunctionality"

Breaking News.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0408/1291137-tony-holohan/

Cluedo Monopoly · 08-04-2022 9:14am

So Watt sanctioned the move.

Holohan gets €30,000 more than the highest equivalent role salary in Trinity.

He said he will not be returning to CMO role and yet he is being paid from Dept Health budget.

Oh the optics, you stupid people cant help yourselves in exposing the rot.

New Politics!

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An aside but Watt is on €300k himself and received €81,000 pay rise when appointed secretary general of Dept of Health.

Mr McGuinness’s committee, along with the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) examined the issue of senior public sector executives’ in the wake of questions over the processes involved in Mr Watt’s appointment to the Department of Health job on an interim basis in January 2021 pending an open competition for the permanent role.

The committees’ report found that the interim appointment and salary increase were arranged in an “ad hoc fashion following discussions among a small number of senior officials and members of the Government”.

Mr McGrath said on Wednesday that he has considered the report and his intention is to propose the establishment of an independent, external review panel to strengthen the recruitment process for senior public service posts including making recommendations on the process of determining terms and conditions for such jobs.

Oh yes, we believe you 😉

Floppybits · 08-04-2022 9:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897003#Comment_118897003

Have we had the "lessons learned" excuse yet?

You would think after the Zappone fiasco they would have learned a lesson. I think this latest fiasco just shows how out of control Watt and the DOH is, To think that they could do something like this and it would just be accepted. Watt is now the problem and the government have only themselves to blame for this.

FrancieBrady · 08-04-2022 9:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118896844#Comment_118896844

I'd say given the latest development BA that there is no precedent for this kind of sleight of hand and cronyism. What say you today?

Dempo1 · 08-04-2022 9:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897109#Comment_118897109

Poor Stephen Donnelly won't be happy having to spend the weekend preparing a report for the Taoiseach, God bless his cotton socks 😏

This secondment,( shenanigans) needs to stop now , if it's allowed to proceed it would be an outrage. Only short of Trinity paying the Salary directly can government redeem themselves and I'd doubt Trinity will offer to pay as that in turn will cause uproar within its academic teaching community.

Cluedo Monopoly · 08-04-2022 9:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897003#Comment_118897003

Earlier this year when Watt got his massive payrise the FFs were outraged. And yet Watt feels he can do a similar favour!

McGrath didn't use the lessons learned excuse that time, he used the legal excuse...

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Fianna Fáil TD Mr McGuinness claimed that the salary increase for the Department of Health job by €81,000 was “a disgraceful decision taken quietly in some back room in Government Buildings”.

Mr McGuinness said: “The public are indeed absolutely outraged and rightly so … but if this was a special arrangement – which it obviously was – there should be no further increases.”

Mr McGrath said Mr McGuinness had made his views known on the issue “But when you are Minister and you are answering questions like the ones being put to me I have to set out what the legal position is and I can’t go beyond that.”

FrancieBrady · 08-04-2022 9:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897161#Comment_118897161

Another right mess.

Cluedo Monopoly · 08-04-2022 9:49am

Fourth pay hike for Robert Watt will push his salary over €300k (irishexaminer.com)

Finance Committee chairman and Fianna Fáil TD John McGuinness described the pay increase as “truly outrageous” and said it is time to “stop this nonsense”.

There is also considerable “frustration” within the Cabinet at Mr Watt’s prolonged refusal to clarify whether he was still waiving the €81,000 increase to his pay last year.

“It was far from ideal and it is not how we wanted to see things handled,” said one senior source.

Mr McGuinness said there is no reason why Mr Watt should be in receipt of further top-ups when a special case was made for him to be given the €81,000 increase last year.

Social Democrats leader Catherine Murphy said that far from being an isolated special case, the new salary for Mr Watt has created a new scale for top-tier civil servants which is now “embedded” in the system. She said such increases should not be happening as the rationale for the original €81,000 increase for Mr Watt was that this was an exceptional role.

As the controversy over his salary continues, Mr Watt and Health Minister Stephen Donnelly are in Dubai attending a conference on healthcare.

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Wake up Ireland, the golden circle is flourishing!

Dempo1 · 08-04-2022 9:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118897171#Comment_118897171

Watt's grubby hands all over this , I still believe Holohan wanted out without loosing Salary and pension. Watt's only too happy to oblige as it was clear Holohan was not happy generally.

Government have created an absolute whopper of a monster, they've essentially gifted a senior servant obscene Salary who is essentially un sackable and free to do what he wants. It's extraordinary state of affairs.