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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    How do you move away from diesel?

    Farming and HGV’s that actually deliver the food need diesel.

    The economy runs on diesel



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ....or maybe it shows, we really should have moved on alternatives faster!



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    it looks like electric and hydrogen is the way to go there to....



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    There are no alternatives for farm machinery and HGV’s though?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I expect most people and companies to hold out till the government tells them. We seem to have created a nanny state when people can't use their own heads at all.

    The panic might wake some people up to the fact we can't base the whole country on fossil fuels when we have very little of them available to us



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,036 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The panic might wake some people up to the fact we can't base the whole country on fossil fuels when we have very little of them available to us

    Whose fault is that? 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,305 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    its actually very little to do with intelligence and knowledge, or lack of, most people have been aware of these critical needs, just most people have been truly unable to react, as they live in the now, most people are already heavily indebted simply trying to survive, we ve wrapped ourselves in a mess of debt, so much so, virtually everyone is now stuck, unable to do what needs to be done, this includes many businesses also. the only way out of this is moving more so towards state backed solutions including public debt....



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel



    What own fossil fuels? Ireland spent 50 years trying to find some of them. we did and we are suing.

    As pointed out the great Barryroe is surrounded by a dodgy company, the main player who could actually drill and bring any oil that might be down their ran away over a year ago.

    Unless you know of more oil fields in Ireland we are ignoring?

    Meanwhile we have an abundance of renewable available on our doors



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    A lot of our issues is yes we are wrapped up in oil but that people are unwilling to move away from it. The cries of "diesel till I die" you see on the motors forum etc.

    Evem if you look at home heating, we have alternatives like HVO which could be easily put into houses but its stuck at the moment. Yet in the UK it is been rolled out.

    A boiler upgrade to support HVO, couple of hundred, all new boilers come already supporting. Yes older boilers won't and can't be upgraded but replacing them will be a hell of a lot cheaper than trying to install A2W.

    First off, diesel/petrol is low so just cut out all travel.

    The dinosaurs for not dying in the land around Ireland



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Ireland spent 50 years trying to find some of them. we did and we are suing.

    Ah ffs not more howlers.

    Let me see what did we find since exploration started in 1972? Ireland has benefited from two major finds of Natural gas. Natural gas which has provided over 60% of our needs to date

    • Kinsale ' 2 trillion cubic feet (57 billion cubic metres)

    • Corrib - 1 trillion cubic feet 

    Current untapped reserves

    • Barryroe (independently confirmed to have reserves of excess excess of 1 billion barrels of oil large reserves of natural gas

    • Inishkea prospect holding an estimated 1.5trn cubic feet of gas. 

    And potentially Ireland has more where all that came from

    Who's Sue btw?

    But more importantly wtf are you to refer a company as 'dodgy? It's no skin of your nose if the company successfully brings natural gas reserves online. The country benefits in the period of transition to Renewable energy generation . End of story.

    The dinosaurs for not dying in the land around Ireland

    RFLOL. You do know that oil and gas deposits are not derived just from Dinosaurs yeah 😅



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Seriously electric and hydrogen heavy machinery..?in what fantasy was this real?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Not sure what this is supposed to prove? it's just a dump of an image from the internet.

    If you looked into the doomsday. The second one has nothing to do with climate change.

    Also the extracts from papers like "Salon" I would question how much they know on climate change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The maximum power ever generated from wind in Ireland was 4489MW.

    Our installed capacity isn't enough to meet our peak electricity demand yet

    It is getting better, but not fast enough. instead of building gas facilities, we need to fasttrack offshore and onshore wind projects. The time and money spent on exploring drilling and bringing gas onshore would be much much better spent constructing wind farms

    By 2027 we hope to have added a further 3GW of offshore wind generation capacity

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/seven-offshore-wind-farms-could-begin-operating-from-2027-under-fast-track-plan-1.4832636

    By 2030 we hope to have added at least another 2GW of offshore wind capacity plus at least 4gw onshore wind and 2gw of Solar, or about 3 times our current peak demand. These will be coming on stream by over the next few years (needs to be faster). Our Government needs to get their thumbs out of their arses and begin promoting ireland as a location for offshore wind generation with whatever incentives they need to get the facilities commissioned sooner rather than later.

    This means that on a windy day, assuming electricity demand increases, we will have twice our peak demand covered by renewables, and every single night we will have multiple times our electricity demand available thus causing wholesale prices to fall close to zero. (this currently happens quite often even with our current level of wind capacity, with the grid often paying companies to Not produce any energy)

    What does this mean? It means electricity will get very very cheap on the wholesale market when it's windy and almost every night, and possibly very expensive in the wholesale market when there are calm conditions and there is poor solar conditions.

    Whenever there is a price differential like this for the same commodity then there are huge profits to be made by buying low and selling high. This is why energy storage is growing exponentially at the moment. And this is a good thing, because building the storage capacity will allow us to turn off gas turbine plants because they will not be needed for peak demand or grid services like frequency regulation.

    Being able to turn off these plants most of the time, gives us the opportunity to convert some of them to burn Ammonia/hydrogen as the capacity comes on stream to generate as another way to store excess capacity during off peak times.

    Big energy intensive manufacturing facilities would have their own on site power storage facilities that they charge up when the price is low (ie, the energy would have been wasted otherwise) and then utilised when the price is high (thereby overall reducing the demand on the grid.) Not because they're 'green' but because it would save them money to do that.

    Initially for the first few years, this will lead to supernormal profits from the energy storage companies but over time, demand will smooth out, so we won't have the big swings in energy demand between night and day, and the grid is properly load balanced with enough battery capacity installed that we will never need 'peaker' gas plants again, and our energy prices, which will be in a competitive marketplace with many buyers and many sellers, with grid services also provided in a competitive market distributed throughout the grid, ultimately electricity prices will be lower as the price of domestic solar installations come down, the grid will have to be price competitive with domestic Solar and storage. We're looking at an entirely new model where every individual premises has the ability to generate and store our own energy, this will keep prices low in the same way that owning a fridge and a freezer means I can stock up on food in a weekly shop in a supermarket rather than having to buy new food every day from the more expensive corner shop down the road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I suggest I refer you back to the Barryroe post, communication expert hired and suddenly the press releases start saying more & more oil/gas is in the site than previously known. Do we need to join the dots....

    I gave you the info on the company, all available on the web. Go research it and come back.

    In regards to dinosaurs, the conversation was about diesel. Not everything is about gas you do know 🤦‍♂️ also it was a tongue in cheek but I do like the over the top reaction as always. Always good to bring a bit of humour into a thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Solar panels getting the approval in Meath

    https://www.farmersjournal.ie/an-bord-pleanala-gives-green-light-to-300ac-meath-solar-farm-690836

    As usual it was delayed due to rejections, people concerned it would devalue their properties seems to be the main problem.

    Now remind me who wants to build a nuclear plant in Ireland and see how many rejections you get for that one :-)

    Anyway I would still maintain they should be using roof space in the area with facebook DC not a million miles away from this site.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    You may not have heard this before but:

    WE NEED GAS AS A TRANSITION FUEL TO GET TO 100% RENEWABLES!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Sorry folks gonna have to leave ya’s and love ya’s. Boards on mobile is getting worse and worse.

    Trying to post something has become a nightmare as the page keeps jumping up about ten posts!

    It’s taking the fun outta getting the laughs outta angel!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    The time and money spent on exploring drilling and bringing gas onshore would be much much better spent constructing wind farms

    Would it? So you're happy to import gas but not avail of untapped reserves of our own in order to increase or security of supply.

    And you stand against all EU green policies that state natural gas is needed in the transition to renewable energy transition and beyond.

    And as has been happily seized upon already - the private companies are doing what they do best with the exploration and drilling are not costing us a penny

    - the private companies building wind farms are doing what they do best as well ditto

    What are going to do strong arm companies who specialise in drilling and exploration into into building more wind farms?

    None of that makes sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Because its government policy to no longer explore for more fossil fuels

    Its on page 36 of the program for government

    Nothing has changed since then, Corrib was always going to run out, Moffatt was always going to be our supply of gas after that until we can fully transition from Gas

    The fearmongering that the British will cut off Ireland's gas supply is ridiculous



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    The estimates for the reserves as detailed for Barryroe have been independently assessed.

    So provide some links to these supposed PR releases and let us judge for ourselves rather than you flinging ****.

    Re Howlers and Dinosaurs

    Guess you missed it. I referred to OIL AND GAS. DIESEL is distilated from OIL. But more importantly OIL is not just made of decayed Dinosaurs. Do try and least keep!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    This has already been pointed out numerous times. It doesn't matter, the same poster will be asking the same question again.

    Not sure why any country would give a license to drill into the waters to a suspect company. Has nobody heard of Deepwater Horizon.

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Deepwater-Horizon-oil-spill



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,076 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    ... and I would refer you back to the post as to why the relevant minister Ryan has refused to even meet the company. What is his problem or what is it he is afraid off, that there is a viable field ?

    In fact what is there to lose by granting a licence to Barryroe ? If there is oil or gas there then it`s a win win for the state without it costing a red cent. It`s looking as if he is a bit dodgy where his duties as a government minister are to serve the state, not use the office to promote his own ideology.

    You have given no explanation for Ryan`s hand sitting, or even a reason why a licence should not be granted. All we have had from you on the matter are posts that are becoming more and more desperate to avoid giving those answers. That just comes across as you being in the same boat as Ryan, afraid that there is a viable field.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Curious, has Ryan stated that he is not going to issue a licence?

    Its possible its going through the motions of assessment.

    There's also the very real possibility that it won't be issued until they know who will be doing the development to ensure its done by a group with the appropriate skills, expertise and equipment to ensure no environmental damage is done to such a sensitive ecosystem. To me that seems fair enough and it could be a major factor in the granting of a licence as there is currently nobody lined up to develop Barryroe



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,076 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    At the moment they are looking no more suspect that Eamon Ryan, and as been pointed out to you many times here granting a licence will cost the state nothing, zero, zilch.

    Have you heard about a war going on in Ukraine and a severe shortage of natural gas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    What is to lose? well look at what happened at Deep Water horizon. The company who could do the drilling backed out.

    Why would I give an explanation for Ryan? if you want to ask him contact him direct. His email address like all TD's is available.

    To be honest not sure why you are accusing others of been desperate. Let's not forget you didn't understand who the owners of Kerry LNG would be, not knowing what a manifesto was, not knowing about the link to France and the list goes on.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    No idea if Ryan has or hasn't. The only things I seen said it was under review.

    The original submission as I posted included a company who could do the drilling, they have backed out with nobody to replace them



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