Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Will I hazard a guess you don't have a holiday home?

Why stop there?

Why not CPO any free rooms in occupied houses?

People are great at insisting that something needs to be done.

Right up to the point it starts costing them money.

"People are great at insisting that something needs to be done."

Right up to the point something has to be done, not even need money involved.

The stats citied are 8 years old, 2016 in my locality there was a noticeable amount of unfinished houses, semi ghost estates, 70s bungalows half through renovation, etc.

Not one of them remains today, they are all finished and have people living in them. Almost every ruin and semi ruin has been knocked and built on or renovated.

Re moving in and doing up a 70s or 80s dwelling piecemeal, that is absolutely fine, but that depends on 2 variables. How well the house was built initially and how it was maintained. If the mould is growing up from ground level through the walls, moving children in there would be abuse and any builder that says "be grand" should be outright ignored.

I have seen houses built in the 50s in far better condition than houses built in the late 80s early 90s.

You also have the quirk that inflates vacant home stats, old farm houses and shacks 100 years old that still have an active ESB connection because the family kept them on for future planning reasons, but you wouldn't pigs in them.

I imagine if they did a proper stock take of suitable habitable homes it would be an absolute fraction of the headline figure of 180,000+.

God bless communism

I agree that the Facebook approach isn't the best but the the official Irish route is so slow. Its pushed people into the Facebook route. Even the police clearance doesn't make sense to a lot of people if it slows things down. If an Irish person or even a regular person from Ukraine rents a room in a family home they don't get Garda clearance.

And who will renovate them?

With what money?

And what labour? You do know we have a chronic shortage of construction workers right now? or are we going to CPO them aswell?🤣

yeah, see what starts off as ‘incentivising’ then compulsory downsizing and all of a sudden you’ll find yourself not living in a democracy.

wont be allowed certain property, house, what next ? vehicles ? Only a certain number of holidays a year ?

current situation is imperfect but fûck going down that route.

fella with a big garden, cpo the land to build a house on it ?

Stalinesque, not democratic.

That's the problem with Socialists, Wibbs. They are about to find out quickly that you eventually run out of other people's money to fuel and fund their fantasyland pet projects.

It is an idea but alot of loose ends (like many of the ideas being thrown about at the moment) and more of a soundbite.

Who covers bills? 300 wouldn't break even with potential energy prices.

Who pays for damage/wear and tear etc, again could go way behind the money offered?

Not sure it would entice too many extra pledges

Yeah they'll have to do it- definitely cheaper than hotels. I'd be wanting guarantees that I'd be getting it back in a year though. The missus' friend is trying to get non paying tenants out since before coronavirus n still no joy getting her gaff back.

If they are going to take in lets say 50,000 refugees (200,000 is fantasy), incentivising the holiday homes, Air B&B lets and people homes is the only way it can be done.

300 euro a month for a holiday home which is probably coming into the season making 10 times that will incentivise no one.

The lad from the council that pulled that figure out of the air hasn't left his spare bedroom in 2 years I'd say.

Also holiday homes are usually quite rural so some sort of transport system would have to provided.

The means and will are there to accommodate these desperate women and children, but it needs a robust plan last month.

Still harping on about the doorways line. Still ignoring the statistic quoted by another poster estimating 10k homeless people in Ireland. Great, you win. I accept, if it'll make you happy, that NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE 1OK PEOPLE IS SLEEPING IN A DOORWAY. Are you happy now? Are you finally prepared to discuss the actual point I was trying to make - which is the fact that we do have a homeless crisis in this country and that we should be sorting that out before inviting the unfortunates of the world's conflicts into the country?