"Green" policies are destroying this country

Yes there is, for one existing battery technology is limited to about 100hp that just doesnt cut the mustard for farming which requires a lot more. Yet agaij another green idea that doesnt stand uo to any scrutiny.

If China builds a hundred new coal powerplants and uses that power to build solar PV and wind turbines and BESS then its still much better over all because in 4-5 years those infrastructure will have saved more C02 than it cost to build them and we can then use that carbon free energy to make more solar cells which will be carbon neutral from day one.

It's the difference between exponential and steady growth. But the pro fossil fuel propaganda merchants tend to leave that part out of their blogs and memes

Where did anyone say we need to immediately electrify agricultural machines?

There is a potential diesel shortage but that's nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with geopolitics, and that's just another reason why we Should focus on electrification as soon as we can

Leaving aside that fact that battery technology on a farm vehicle is impractical for anything larger than a quad. Tractors are operated in rural areas that in general do not have access to the charging infrastructure needed to fast charge several tractors at once. During harvest season tractors go nearly 24x7. I've often driven for silage contractors starting at 9AM in the morning and not finishing until 4AM, then back on the job at 9AM. You only have a limited window to get the harvest in and weather conditions play a big part, faffing around waiting for tractors to charge is not on, unless it can be done during lunch.

As for Hydrogen fuel cells unless the technology works economically compared to available options it will not be used. The horse got sent to the knackers yard because of the immediate productivity gains available using tractors. Having expensive to run vehicles means their productivity must exceed that of the current in use solution.

People whose sole farming experience is growing geraniums in the front window are not the people we need telling us how food must be produced. This is the problem the Greens have no solutions, and have no the cost benefit analysis to backup their claims. They resort to impractical claims about technologies that do not exist, are not economic in the circumstance applied and do not scale.

As the price of energy is going up, green hydrogen automatically becomes competitive, plus it gets cheaper as the technology and industry matures. So we should plan ahead, build the infrastructure we need for tomorrow now even if it means subsidies. (Ps: if the subsidies given to fossil fuels were removed green hydrogen would immediately be cheaper)

Nope. Once again you failed to answer the question asked

No one asked you to provide a link to find the information because that's not what was asked in the comment you replied to viz

What are the proposals of the green party (or your own if you like) for humans to produce more crap to make up for the the fact that 80% of all treated sludge here is already used on agricultural land?

So you having randomly googled "how to find alternatives to fertliser" and linking to an article behind a paywall that you can't even quote from, you then spend paragraph after paragraph repeating the same old nonsense that you've "no idea" and you've "provided a link" etc.

It's "not just about the Green party" ? Well the thread is certainly about How "Green" policies are destroying the country

Funny the only links to the examiner I've seen posted here were your own and you apparently can't quote from the one here you've now linked to

I've borrowed this and some more. They look a helluva lot better here 🤣🤣🤣

Those harvesting machines are not the typical tractor and they would likely be run on Hydrogen in the coming years.

But biodiesel would be a suitable stepping stone for this kind of niche use case if farmers are looking to reduce emissions

Except there several major problems with your theory.

Why not build solar PV and wind turbines in Europe and stop the world's climate going to hell in a handcart in the first place?

How the fook are we going to undo the damage done to the climate caused by China single handedly emitting most of the world's greenhouse gasses and continuing to do so

And the problem isn't that China is just going to make the first batch and stop. They are building yet more and more Coal power plants and apparently have fuk all plans to stop in the near future

And because the shelf life of many Solar PV and wind turbines is relatively short - the rest of the world is continuing to buy more and more solar pv and wind turbines to replace the old worn out ones in an ever increasing circle jerk .

Burn coal and stop climate change! is an awful slogan btw

None of it makes any sense whatsoever!

I hope you are not suggesting for others to circumvent paid access to a business's legitimate website?

Why can't we build PV ourselves? Because while we in the west were pissing away decades having pretend debates about climate change and giving trillions upon trillions of dollars to the fossil fuel industry, China was secufing the resources and ramping up their production capacity and doing the R&D needed to allow them to be the globes dominant supplier of this technology.

They did the same thing with electric cars. They're a decade ahead of the west in BEV technology.

And the average life cycle of Solar PV is 20-25 years. They pay back the CO2 cost in 4 years (If manufactured with coal) so the 'circle jerk' you describe is saving CO2

The emissions generated during the 25 year life cycle of a new Gas turbine plant vs the same electricity provided by Solar PV totally justifies the use of Coal to make the Solar PV

Ultimately coal will be phased out, and that will happen much faster and more cheaply because China planned ahead while we waited for an energy crisis to finally take notice

Lol. So just more bs then?

The thread title is "Green" policies are destroying the country". Maybe you missed it? 😅

And I asked a question regarding

In a reply to a comment to another poster about Treated Sludge (biosolids)

You attack the poster and make up bs about some "week talking about Germany" and the next you go on about having no idea that a link to gov.uk legislation has absolutely nothing to do with Ireland???

And on top of that you spectacularly once again fail to answer the question asked in the comment you replied

I mean wtf?

You have utterly and totally lost any credibility as a poster at this stage. But more importantly you're fooling no one with that type of rubbish.

Nope. Your posts so far have been ridiculous.

So try again. This is a simple question

On the topic of using Treated Sludge (Biosolids) to replace artificial fertiliser

How do you, the greens or the green party (which btw you've mentioned many many times on this thread) propose to get humans here literally producing more crap to make up for the the fact that 80% of all treated sludge here is already used on agricultural land?

And no an answer " I've provided a link" does not suffice because what your bizarre reply ie alternatives to artificial fertlisers and your supposed link on that on that is irrelevant to the question asked

And no an an answer " I've provided an answer" does not suffice because that 'answer" was again irrelevant to the question asked

And you saying "I can't help you" because that's more bs

That includes any or all of the other autoreply stock answers you try to constantly derail the thread with.

So I'm waiting.