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Far-right Le Pen closes in on Macron ahead of vote

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    #32
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118904254#Comment_118904254

    I'm lost on how it would be better to have a person who is millions of euros in debt to Russia.



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    #33
    nigeldaniel
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    France under Le Pen would be a tough cookie to bite on. I can't quite understand Le Pen myself, she seems to go with where ever the vote is. One minute far right the next she could just as easily be far left. She is a strange type of politician and the type of politician that is catching on everywhere in the world. Suck up to the poor and underclasses, then the next day sucks up to the hardliners on the fringes of extremists. Her Putin links go back to her Dad who started getting funds from Russia so she is stuck with that. Without lots of 'mula' one cant run any kind of political party.

    Dan.



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    #34
    Dyr
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118904977#Comment_118904977

    She's one to watch right now 😎


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    #35
    VillageIdiot71
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906253#Comment_118906253

    She's a grand looking young wan.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906198#Comment_118906198

    She certainly has developed, which to an extent is why I started the thread. For what it's worth, I don't think someone can be "far right" if they've captured a chunk of the political mainstream. There is a disconnect in politics - and that disconnect IMHO is partly reflect in the way that commentators place their filter. So Le Pen is far right, compared to where we'd like moderate right to be - rather than where it actually is. Which is nostalgia, not analysis.

    I think you are also right to point to Le Pen looking to pick up left votes, from folk who feel their traditional left values are not being pursued by their traditional parties. Don't folk say this was also a feature of the last British election? Farage's party (can't even remember the name of it now) was attractive to traditional Labour voters, to an extent that (under their first past the post system) delivered a number of previous safe Labour seats to the Conservatives.

    Only pause for thought is why does it take a candidate like Le Pen to articulate policies that are attractive to both traditional left and traditional right voters? (And, while I know it's an acceptable answer to many, "because the voters are thick" unfortunately doesn't resonate with me.)



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    #36
    Danzy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906301#Comment_118906301

    The modern left have a working class problem, in that they despise them but need their votes and have built their belief system around "working class politics".


    The stark class divide between the modern left and those they presume to speak for is incredible and only growing.


    Across most of Western Europe, the left is largely a dead end political force, 15 years ago they were regularly in Govt in many countries.


    It's a testimony to how much they have screwed up, how irrelevant and obnoxious they have become that they are on the electoral floor after a crisis of extreme free market economics.


    That's not going to change, too much of the left today are inward focused, elections are vulgar.



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    #37
    Yurt2
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118902851#Comment_118902851

    The EU is in the French national interest. It has always been and continues to be.

    Like that room-tempreture-ale swilling gom Farage, Le Pen wants to change all that, because...reasons.

    I'm no particular fan of Macron, however if that's who the French choose to prevent (another) cornerstone EU country self-immolating and destroying the European political project for no good reason, I can well understand why they make that choice.



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    #38
    Yurt2
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    Just as an aside, Le Pen's party took a loan from a Kremlin linked financial institution to bankroll her campaign in 2017. She's compromised.



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    #39
    Mr.KarateII
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906418#Comment_118906418

    There isn't a Politician alive in a major position and in a major party that isn't compromised.



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    #40
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    People all over Europe are frustrated after years of recession, pandemics, lockdowns and now huge inflation levels.

    It's normal to look for change when what you have isn't working.



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    #41
    Liberty_Bear
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    Le Pens modus opeandi was to use left leaning language to appeal to a wide a demographic as was possible. Beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing as the expression goes. Le Pen has an agenda for a pure white ethno nationalist state just like her father. Thing is her PR is more slick than that of her father. We all want change but when the option you are left with is being electrocuted or having your head chopped off, you go for what is the less painful option. Even the normal centre right Le Monde cant stomach her (https://www.lemonde.fr/election-presidentielle-2022/article/2022/03/31/presidentielle-2022-derriere-la-normalisation-de-marine-le-pen-un-projet-qui-reste-d-extreme-droite_6119942_6059010.html)



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    #42
    Yurt2
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906466#Comment_118906466

    There's a world of difference being deferential to the local chamber of commerce because some members are donors, and taking a loan from a Kremlin bank and having a comicant anti-EU and pro-Russian foreign policy.

    I think it shouldn't need to be said you surely understand the difference in severity. You can soft peddle it if you want, but it's silly of you to do so.



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    #43
    road_high
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906468#Comment_118906468

    Agree- also the housing crisis is shared throughout much of Europe, though worse here. The carry on of most European governments throughout covid was beyond reproach- the likes of marcron was an arrogant twat, basically talking down to and dismissing anyone that had concerns or a different viewpoint to the punishment narrative.

    All this basically fcuked up the world economy and supply chains (delicately balanced and built up over generations)- the arrogance of western governments that they could shut these down and all would go back to normal (or Christ above “build back better”) on their say so. A monumental fcuk up of epic proportions. Yes, yes no wonder the likes of le pen are gaining traction and she won’t be the last.



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    #44
    JRant
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906315#Comment_118906315

    The left, particularly the intellectual left, have always hated the working class. Orwell wrote about this problem almost 100 years in his letters and it’s still as true today as it was back then.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #45
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906466#Comment_118906466

    And on top of the loan, she appears to have a close personal relationship with Putin. And it probably goes further than is publicly known. She isn't in government, so there's absolutely no reason to have that relationship.


    Fyi, any politicians receiving loans from Russian banks is a red flag for any politicians. Russia has substantial leverage over such politicians.



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    #46
    Dyr
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    Just wondering lads, in the unlikely event of LePen winning the second round, what will be the excuse for the result being invalid this time?

    Obviously, biased media won't wash this time

    Russian interference?

    Facebook?

    Ads on buses?

    Might be an idea to agree in advance



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    #47
    greenfield21
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    It's not going happen I know...but I would like to see the brexit thread on here if she wins. The years of mocking the UK for being clueless and uneducated basically laughing at their decision and how we were all so better of. For France then to basically do the same thing a few years later ha.



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    #48
    Mr.KarateII
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906501#Comment_118906501

    If it wasn't for their propagandists in the media the Left would have lost their "Party of the Working class" label decades ago.



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    #49
    road_high
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906966#Comment_118906966

    Brexit and le pen are not quite the same thing. She’s moved away from frexit to a reform from within standpoint. France basically couldn’t afford to leave, it’s much more intertwined than the U.K. was.

    My own view is that the high point for euro scepticism has passed- however flawed the EU might be, it’s better than the alternative. Ukraine was a boost to EU unity in that regard.



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    #50
    Dyr
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906987#Comment_118906987

    Ah yeah, nothing boosted European unity more than watching the French and Germans hanging Ukraine out to dry. 😀



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    #51
    J_1980
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    Macron vs LePen in second round. Macron doing better than expected so likely to win in 2 weeks.

    at least all the socialist/left wing candidates were solidly rejected.



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    #52
    Wibbs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906315#Comment_118906315

    Meh, these things usually go in cycles. All one can reasonably sure of is if Politic A is at the top, it's heading downwards in short order.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #53
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906884#Comment_118906884

    Pretty sure I can point to a former president who has spent over a year claiming his loss was rigged. Actively tried to invalidate the result too.



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    #54
    JRant
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118908007#Comment_118908007

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #55
    Dyr
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118908109#Comment_118908109

    I'm pretty sure you can, given that all you seem to post about is that former president of the US, even in a thread about French politics

    Odd carry on



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    #56
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118908617#Comment_118908617

    Seemed pretty relevant to your post. And you seemed to ignore she's In a tonne of debt to the Russians too..



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    #57
    francois
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    Close enough run between Mélenchon & Le Pen for advancing to round 2, which is the big surprise of this round. Zemmour's 7% combined with Le Pen shows a roughly 30% far right/populist vote in France which has remained fairly static for the last 15 years.



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    #58
    tooka
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    People confuse what people like le pen truly stand for when it comes to dealing with Islam

    the far right have more in common with extreme Islam then people understand, the more far right and the More extreme the better the relationship

    dont be surprised if the large influx of Muslims is the very reason she wins but not for the obvious reason, but some Muslims would like to live in a totalitarian state.



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    #59
    c.p.w.g.w
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118906966#Comment_118906966

    Well the thing with Brexit, is all the negative effects that brexitiers laughed off as fearmongering which turned out to be turn is were the issues lie...

    The £350million on the red bus was rubbish during the campaign and has been proven to be a lie...

    Maybe Britain will be better off out of the EU long term, but there is a few miles of sh!t to navigate first



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    #60
    letowski
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    With 90% of votes counted: Macron 27.4%, Le Pen 24.9%, Melenchon 20.5%. Macron still has the metropolitan votes to come in from places like Paris and Haute Seine. Decent weekend for Macron, he is on course for the best first-round score for an incumbent president since François Mitterrand in 1988. Melenchon will come close to Le Pen, but probably not enough.



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    #61
    Madeleine Birchfield
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    The youth in France are trending to the right according to this YouGov poll: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/fjg18u456t/France_Vote_Intention_07-Apr-2022_website_v2.pdf

    The only age demographic where the majority of people would vote for Macron over Le Pen in the runoff are those 55+ years old, 55 to 45 percent.

    Those who are age 45-54 favour Le Pen over Macron 51-49, those who are age 35-44 favour Le Pen over Macron 53-47, those who are age 25-34 favour Le Pen over Macron 53-47, and those who are age 18-24 favour Le Pen over Macron 56-44.

    This is the exact opposite trend to what we see in Ireland and the rest of the Anglosphere, where the youth are trending towards the left (Sinn Fein, UK Labour, Canadian SDP, US Democrats).



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