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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Well,Holy God Miley,would you look at the cut of this !

    NPHET is dead....long live NPHET...?

    New Covid-19 advisory group members

    Chair: Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan

    Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn

    Chief Clinical Officer of the HSE Dr Colm Henry

    Chair of the IEMAG Prof Philip Nolan

    Chair of the HIQA Covid-19 Expert Advisory Group Prof Máirín Ryan

    Chair of the AMRIC Dr Eimear Brannigan

    Director, HPSC Dr Derval Igoe

    Regional Director of Public Health Dr John Cuddihy

    General Practitioner Dr Tadhg Crowley

    President RCPI Prof Mary Horgan

    Consultant Microbiologist Dr Anne Rose Prior

    Consultant in Infectious Diseases Prof Paddy Mallon

    ESRI Behavioural Research Unit Prof Pete Lunn

    Director, National Virus Reference Laboratory Dr Cillian de Gascun

    Professor of Physical Chemistry Prof John Wenger

    Senior Lecturer in Biochemistry Dr Anne Moore

    Professor of Biochemistry and Immunology Prof Luke O'Neill

    Professor, Chair in Comparative Immunology Prof Clíona O’Farrelly

    Head of Health Protection Division, DOH Mr Fergal Goodman

    Representative of the Department of An Taoiseach - to be confirmed

    I think it was Gene Kerrigan who coined the phrase "Round up the usual suspects" during the troubles,so it's good to see the principle still lives.

    As before,it's all about following the money.....😳


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,234 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Good god no



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Small talent pool in this country for a group pf that size and the top table is a given, the rest are likely to be at or near the top of their fields.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Finally the 'emergency' is over so we can just scrap that word and give the organisation a new name so it wont have to step down when an 'emergency' is over and be an 'advisory' group of 'experts' who have proven to be very accurate on 'the science' around Covid to give guidance, i mean expert advice, to the government to hide behind. So they can say 'we only give advice' and the government can say they 'acted on the best advice'so no one is directly to blame, really.

    I would think a list of all the dubious assertions the members have made based on presumptions about the unsettled 'science' would be enough never to engage them again. Simple presentations of complex systems using dubious methods.

    But no, they double down making it institutional. When Covid passes and another uncertain virus hits this 'Covid' advisory group can just simply change their name again like a good lawyer would suggest.

    We as a people are extremely greatful to Tony for his leadership during Covid that we will accomodate him in whatever form of organisation he wants to set up and continue to pay him handsomely for that.

    I have a suggestion: send the members to Denmark to study how the science is properly done and gag mr Nolan for saying anything about modelling ever again.

    That this man is part of the new organisation is an insult to science and to the irish people.

    I dont see any journalist questioning this set up. But then, everybody moved over to the war in Ukraine. Nobody cares anymore so this announcement stayed in the periphery. A missed opportunity.

    But then, none of the members would feel any shame about things they possibly could have gotten wrong even in hindsight.

    The saying' things were done wrong but not by ME' applies here.

    All they got was praise from the government, the ones doing the hiring. This whole politburo got their heads so far up their arses they wouldnt recognise any possible mistake they might have made.

    I would call that criminal..

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    All medical people again as far as I can see. No other opinions wanted or entertained. The worse you are at your job in this country the further you get.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    The inclusion of Luke O'Neill certainly entertained me. I presume it was due to his ability to be all things to all listeners via his Pat Kenny gig ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Interesting developments here,all the same...


    Dr Holohan not at all pleased that his,rather unusual path into Academe,was questioned by a section of the political divide,but I found this quote to be particularly stinging.....

    "Following my departure, I look forward to sharing my knowledge and expertise outside of the public service."

    The mailed fist directed at the ungrateful unbelievers ?

    It seems as if the Taoiseach's very public doubts were sufficient to pull the handbrake.

    All that remains is to see whereabouts he goes in the "outside the Public Service" world,as this will most likely be a template for the other well-placed "names"

    I suggest it will be a very short list of potential clients ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    He’s been courted and has enough lined up in the private sector to see him up for rest of his working life. His attitude is wholly disrespectful and dismissive upon being questioned, but then that’s nothing new to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,344 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Brings back memories

    Bloody had tickets to a who gig in the 3Arena for the 18th March 2020 and we all know what happened a few days before that



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  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    'Outside the public service' so what about the 'Covid advisory group' then?

    Am i missing something apart from the Trinity position issue?



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That's in the public service and he's not leaving till July. If it is still needed then it will continue to be headed by the new CMO.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Phew,thank God that it's all above board and transparent.

    And here's people thinkin....."Shenanigains" 🤠


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Nope,you're missing nuttin cos there's nothing to see here....just move along please...keep moving...some other interesting stuff will be along in a minute.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Tony Holohan won’t be taking up the position in Trinity because he didn’t have the full support of the Taoiseach. The neck of the Taoiseach to investigate a controversial and unusual appointment that appeared to benefit just one university at no expense to that university but paid out of public purse. That’s just disrespectful, obviously Tony Holohan is above such things as applying for a position that is normally awarded after open competition.

    And why do the keep calling it an ‘open-ended’ secondment - he’s made it crystal clear he won’t be returning to CMO job.

    There may well be a place for him in academia and had the DoH created a role for him as pandemic/public health expert to the benefit of multiple universities and colleges that would be an entirely different setup.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,860 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The canonisation of Tony Holohan continues in the media and from some of the politicians now lamenting the loss of experience and expertise when he quits.

    People have short memories. It wasn't that long ago that they were giving out about him bypassing the politicians by putting pressure on them in the media before making the official recommendations.

    It's like living in a nation of goldfish and magpies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    I think politician's ( and some of the wider public including most of the media) perception on TH can be summed up as: appearing steadfast and forceful in times of uncertainty, a handy deflector in terms of government policy, a person to trust in times of fear and anxiety.

    Never mind real data, mistakes and overblown assertions about the reliability of the Covid science.

    People dont look too closely anyway. They dont dig in and perceptions are mostly based on faith in what is being presented to them by the media who set the parameters.

    It is no surprise.

    Our Tony steered the ship through rocky waters. Now the irish people should be grateful and offer him a steady career in public service.

    I actually think it would be a good thing to have him move to the private sector, a rather common revolving door mechanism so we dont have to continue paying him the amount of ridiculous money we currently are.

    Just dont ever let him back in. Im afraid he might re enter.

    Or he could go to the WHO. Lots of likeminded people there shouting from the rooftops except not when it is needed like stopping flights from China and the spread of the pandemic.

    TH should feel right at home..



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,407 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Yes once the private sector realise he has fcuk all to offer they’d be getting rid of him sharpish or moving him aside. There’s no way he’d survive a private sector team (the top down talking down strategy rarely ends well). But would be great to be shot of him so he can do no more direct harm to the taxpaying public.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I noticed he was getting much more conservative in his talking lately, specifically questioning why people weren't wearing masks at Paddys Day parades. It's sad as he had a lot of criticism for NPHET on PK in the early days, peak criticism when it came to antigen testing.

    Better to have him on the inside talking out might be the thinking here for NPHET 2.0



  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭Amenhotep


    Hi Red,

    In light of recent events in Shanghai, would you still stand by your above post ?


    Just some more relevant info


    You have heard about them executing people's pets too yeah ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yes I'll stand by my post about china being more free than us for most of 2020 and 2021, unless you can prove otherwise?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,842 ✭✭✭billyhead


    The Chinese probably are hiding information about COVID then the rest of the world. Why would they go into complete lockdown when they normally don't give a shite about human rights. Could a new more lethal strain be circulating?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Ya this new "lethal" strain gives one a runny nose in addition to a cough. Frightening stuff. Stay safe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭Amenhotep


    Wow just wow.

    One thing we learned from all this, is that frightenly there are people like yourself in the west that embrace this thuggery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    When they don't give sh1te about human rights, why wouldn't they go into complete lockdown?

    There's a reason why pestilence is often called one of the four horsemen. Plagues have toppled many great empires. You can't ignore a pandemic and pretend it's not happening. If they opened up fully, the levels of sickness and death would escalate quickly (their vaccination levels are not good), and you can't hide that from the population; because they're the ones experiencing it.

    Then you have a catch-22. If you bring covid patients into hospitals, you quickly run out of resources in bed spaces and doctors and people start seeing their relatives dying from treatable illness because the country couldn't provide for them. If you don't, then people see their relatives dying at home because their country refused to provide for them.

    Either way, confidence in the state and the government is eroded, and that's poison for a dictatorship.

    They'll have to fake their way out of this somehow. It'll probably some variant on field hospitals for really sick covid patients. Open up, and anyone over 50 who arrives really ill, goes to one of these hospitals. They can claim they're staffed by doctors with the best of equipment when really they're just palliative care tents. Nobody will know because relatives won't be allowed in. People will die of covid alone, be sent for cremation and the family told that their country did everything it could. Anyone who dissents or speaks up about the truth, quickly silenced.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,858 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The worst thing about commentary on China is the inability of people to accept that they don't know what is going on in that country.

    You cannot get accurate information about China end of.

    Taking their 'lockdowns' at face value is utter foolishness.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,344 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    But but bur the hospitals might still be overrun and we can't take that risk etc etc (it was a joke lads calm down)

    Yep media move the **** on



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,151 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Read my comment, this time in full. At no point do I state I approve of what is going on now in China. Unless you can prove otherwise



  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭Amenhotep


    My original point was what was going on in China at the moment, you jumped in to defend them.

    end of.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Unfortunately the media will never move on, i’m sure i saw a headline from the Mirror today that went something like this“ Summer holidays and travel under threat because of the XE variant “, some bollox like that.



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