Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

It was under 1,000 last night. Falling nearly faster than it went up at this point. Could be down to 500 or so within two weeks.

Funny how quiet all these talking shops go when their doomsday predictions don't come true.

One to watch, but some experts think it might not be as bad as the last BA.1 wave. Hopefully not as i’ll be over there in 4 weeks time.

Unfortunately nearly everything in the U.S. becomes a political football to the point that legislators will do anything, no matter how insane or damaging, provided that they believe it can score partisan points. They will literally deny reality if the "other side" is seen to take a position on something.

Where in 2020 we saw a load of republican states refuse to enact public health legislation, and a president actively deny there was any real problem in 2020, the logical foil to that insanity was that democractic states went in hard on public health measures, now they have to blindly stick to some of the measures just because it's considered partisan. If they don't do it, it's a "loss".

Because conservatives made such a stink about masks, the issue of masks automatically became a liberal -v- conservative talking point, rather than one based on public health.

We saw some leakage of that over here with the anti-mask crackpots, but that's typical now with the internet. It was never made into a political statement over here.

Interesting out of Shanghai. There are currently approx 200,000 locally transmitted cases. Most are mild or asymptomatic . One case currently categorized as severe.

Is that worth putting 25 million people through hell locking them up?

Doomsday predictions?

Some of us were very vocal about lockdowns, in favour of them, when lots of people were dying and we were called Doomsday merchants.

Some of us have went through tough times before and the lockdown wasn't that difficult for us. Others, especially those under 35, have this sense of entitlement about them because they've been pampered their whole lives. As a result they don't care about anybody but themselves and maybe their wife and children if they are settled down.

I still wear a mask in packed places, an ffp2 for some personal protection, but never put one on in quiet places like my local shop which might have three or four customers in it at the one time.

I haven't contracted covid to this point although I'm resigned to the fact that I'll probably fall foul to it at some stage soon.

I just want everybody to be safe and if the science and medical experts say that masks are required or lockdowns are required I'm willing to listen to them and not some uneducated idiot who thinks they know more than educated and trained professionals.

"if the science and medical experts say that masks are required or lockdowns are required"

So what science based trial/study did these medical experts refer to, to implement a lockdown or the use of masks?

I don't know be side I'm not trained in science or medicine. Are you?

I could explain everything to you about it but let's just say multi billion dollar business shut down and debunked clinical trials that showed success with invetmectin as part of a treatment.

There's been studies since which prove that invermectin, on its own, doesn't help with covid but that's not what clinical trials were doing. It was part of a treatment which included high doses of vitamin d and c iirc and other stuff.

Despite all this, the state of Tennessee is about to make invermectin a prescription free drug.

I'm just an ordinary guy, my brother is a trained and very experienced bio-chemist. He was looking at clinical trials and told me they looked great.

Obviously I was delighted and shared that with everybody else. That was positive news, not doom mongering.

Yes there was a study done as you described. But that was done in laboratory setting using a surgical mask properly fitted and wasn't really reflective of what happens in a real world setting, where the vast majority of people used cloth masks that weren't fitted properly. According to the Bangladesh study cloth masks were "no better than the unmasked group"

Mask mandates were brought in before these studys were conducted.

The mask study done prior to covid 19 were done on influenza and were shown to have no effect.

Remember at 1st the WHO said they weren't effective, then we heard that the "science changed" but they didn't carry out and RCT studys to suggest that the science changed. There were a few more studys done since but most were observational studys but were flawed. There is a new preprint study from Finland just out on masking kids, showing no real effects. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.04.22272833v1

I find it very disingenuous from people including "experts" saying they use/follow the science when it's clear that the science doesn't back up the views. We see lots of various mask mandates throughout the world ranging from fully everywhere to indoor and even selective people. There are many examples of this even within single countries, take the USA, New York has a mask mandate for kids between 2 and 4 years, yet not for adults, all the while the WHO have say only over 12 years should be masked. Or under 12 in if immunocompromised. This is not following the science. Its making it up as they see fit too.

Experts are clueless fools. Does that not sound stupid to you?

Well that's a lovely rant about something I never said, my friend.

I was of course referring to the various talking shops who 10-14 days ago were calling on the government to reintroduce masks in some places. Who were predicting that record numbers of covid cases in hospital was just days away and that hospitals were on the verge of collapse with the pressure.

Literally the next day, numbers started to drop, and all these panic merchants slunk off into the darkness, never held to account for their doom-mongering.