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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker


    The only thing that makes sense is that they fell for their own bullshit and really thought all they had to do was turn up on the pitch to collect the three points.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker


    A two-front war...bound to work. He can't lose.

    😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I reckon the Russians believed that they would go in with a pinprick and the Ukranians would just fold. They never thought or even considered that nearly every Tom Dick and Harry would get a weapon and fight back, or act as ad hoc intel to suppport the country's defence. And once the die was cast, the Russians appeared to be at a loss as to what to do next.

    I'd even question if even half of the Russian Army even knows what the end game is here, or even what the whole show was about in the first place, and that includes higher ranks.

    It's funny, before this malarkey kicked off I would have credited Putin with more shrewdness than he appears to possess. It's been a remarkable embarrassment to entire county.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,714 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Putin may have thought his forces would be welcomed or that, at a push, resistance would quickly fall apart. It has long been speculated that Putin has grown detached from reality for various possible reasons like simple isolation or he's dying and has desperate need to be remembered as a great leader or to buoy flagging approval ratings. In a sense, the real reason doesn't matter because any reason to invade a country and indiscriminately slaughter, and loot and rape, and threaten loads of other countries while you're at it, is inherently invalid.

    It was/is one man's war, and that man wanted Zelenskyy's head on a plate - probably literally.

    Putin's commanders were just carrying out the objectives that Putin wanted to attain and maybe hoping to get the right side of a multitude of variables that didn't end up going their way. These include, but are not limited to, hoping the West's response would be confused, hoping their own troops would be motivated, hoping to knock out vital Ukrainian military infrastructure quickly, hoping their own army wasn't subject to decades of endemic corruption and poor maintenance.

    I'm sure there's a good reason why there haven't been more Russian planes in the skies of Ukraine. After all, if they could get them up there, they would be up there. Stingers obviously play their part, but I would say there is more to the story that we'll only learn in retrospect.

    Ukraine can count itself unfortunate that it has been invaded by a large army, but in that unfortunateness, there is at least a lesser good fortune that this army is mostly incompetent. It at least gives more hope than if the reverse were true.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,940 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Has there been any Russian POW's? How are they being treated?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,059 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Maybe but the Russians still have large forces to deploy if they wish and very destructive munitions. Not a done deal at all. Best thing going for Ukraine though must be a lack of commitment from many ordinary Russian servicemen. They are obviously trained to take orders but it must be patently clear to them at the same time that there's little point in dying for some ill thought out invasion of a close neighbour.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,518 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, a few thousand I believe. Treated well I gather, no suggestion of wrongdoing or breaches of the Geneva Convention (if there were, the Kremlin press and the legions of Putin fanboys on social media would be shrieking it from the rooftops).



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    If Putin left his war a few months he would probably have had an ally in France.

    I don't think she'll make it in the current climate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭Homelander


    You have to wonder if Putin is simply willfully taking another extraordinary gamble yet again with another big offensive in the east of the country, knowing this could get even worse, or if he genuinely believes Ukraine is on the brink of defeat.

    The loss rates are already catastrophic. Oryx says Russia has lost almost 500 tanks, and we can safely assume a lot more lost that haven't been documented. That has to be a huge percentage of their actual "real" tank force - as in their overall tank force, not just exactly what was assembled for operations in Ukraine.

    Let's say they had 3 thousand combat-ready tanks in actual decent shape back in February.....they realistically have probably lost 6-700 of them at least in two months and made pretty negligible gains.

    It seems to me Putin is simply embarrassed and humiliated and wants to just punish Ukraine for resisting and daring to destroy his grand vision of conquest. I don't see how it could even be about legacy at this point given he will obviously know history books will inevitably record it as the time Russia was humiliated by its comparatively tiny neighbour and transformed itself into a total pariah state. That is literally the legacy he will leave behind and it's already cemented no matter what happens next. It can only get worse for him, not better, going forward.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Brilliant. What's the best use to make of this guy?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Apart from all that, things are good with him!🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    If only. Unfortunately there are some rat bags:

    "The SBU continues to expose traitors and collaborators throughout UkraineOne

    of the main tasks set before its agents by the Russian special services is the collection of data on the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Theroboron.

    The SBU actively opposes this, and only in recent days we have the following results:

    🔹In Mykolaiv region:

    a local resident was detained, who provided the occupiers with intelligence on the deployment of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and corrected missile attacks.

    🔹In Donetsk region:

    SBU detained three more collaborators. All of them handed over to the enemy the positions of Ukrainian troops, the location of checkpoints, etc.

    🔹In Luhansk region:

    SBU officers eliminated the activities of the russian agency network, which collected and transmitted to the Russian curator information about the location of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the National Guard, the State Border Guard Service.

    🔹In Zaporizhzhya region:

    SBU special forces detained a resident of the region who was adjusting enemy artillery to the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    All agents and collaborators were detained. Appropriate work is being done with them."


    On Orcs. This is the Ukrainian military plain speaking about a recently sighted column:

    " Rashn publics released a video of a new column of orcs (meat). Previous rostov region. Welcome to the hell of mrazota 🔥

    Death to enemies🔥"



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Moldova would likely be handy enough but most likely he'd only go in to try and provoke.

    It's easy to forget some of this stuff day to day. 😅 Bearing in mind the power structures no-one was going to tell Putin anything he didn't want to hear. One wonders about how much intelligence the FSB actually use and give to their superiors. That **** caught today was probably telling everyone in Russia what they wanted to hear. How much honesty do we think there was about what was happening in the Donbas? How much was actually sent back to the Russian hierarchy? Who wants to be the one to tell Putin "Ya know, it would only take a couple thousand dollar drone to take out a few of our tanks at a time"?.

    My guess with that in mind was rather than being widely welcomed they just expected no resistance because hey, it would be futile. Because life is futile, or so the Russians think. Their plan though was spelled out in terms of rounding up the elites and ethnic cleansing where "necessary". They would only need to be welcomed in a couple of places in the East and surely rest of Ukraine would just bend over for them right?

    Also from reading military sources it would seem that the Russians don't have the hours in the air to do what the Yanks, Brits and French can do in their sleep with multiple planes and targets. They don't have the kind of precision weapons in the numbers we'd assume (because **** 'em). They'll have thought the war in the East wore down resistance elsewhere, that they only needed proper support from a fraction of the population etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "Germany will supply weapons to Ukraine – Steinmeier


    Berlin is ready to change its security philosophy and will supply Ukraine with weapons.

    He noted that with such a Russia, after the world saw its war crimes, there can be no return to normal relations. The President of Germany stressed that Berlin will supply weapons to Ukraine.

    "We stand in solidarity with Ukraine," Steinmeier

    said, adding that Russia's war crimes must be documented and investigated, and perpetrators and those who made a political decision should be held accountable."

    I'll believe it when the Ukrainians say the Leopards have arrived.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,508 ✭✭✭wassie


    "Appropriate work is being done with them."

    Enough said.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao




  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    At this point I'm hoping private companies are flooding Ukraine with non-military spec drones. Just regular drones with a half-decent payload with munitions that can fall straight are useful and they could probably make plenty of parts themselves and losing them isn't a huge loss either.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oil and gas from Russia is their lifeline and where is hurts most.

    Offcourse the French would surrender again

    Might as well travel with a white flag to Moscow



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Soon we will see more drone top attack on twitter live from Ukraine



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,647 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    The face to face meetings with Macron and the Austrian Chancellor Nehammer yesterday might seem like they produce nothing but they do have a value for western intelligence. Macron and Nehammer are under no illusions that they were going to show up to Moscow and Putin would stop the war at their request, it is not about that. Putin is the adversary in war here so any opportunity for western leaders to meet him face to face should be taken as it allows an opportunity to assess his state of mind and his health, if he is truly a madman with nuclear weapons or if he is just bluffing. As the Japanese strategist and philosopher Musashi once said "Know your enemy and know his sword"

    The other value in continuing to meet him is that Putin is surrounded by yes men who are scared of telling him the full truth of this war. Meeting a western leader is an opportunity to show Putin how badly his war is going despite what his generals are telling him. Now maybe Putin knows how badly it is going and he doesnt care. Or maybe the Russian figure of only 1,500 soldiers dead is disinformation coming direct from own generals who are too scared to tell Putin the truth of 10,000+ Russian soldiers dead for fear of their own safety. If the latter is the case him being shown how badly his war is going does has a value for Ukraine, especially if it results in a purge of Russian military leadership which in turn will destabilise the Russian armys war effort.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Unfortunately looks like just separate pockets of troops within Mariupol who have reached each other only.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It would be great if Nato accidentally air dropped weapons and supplies into Mariupol for a few nights



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui



    Interesting, combined with the further $670m in funding that's been slated...



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    With the will to fiht those guys have shown I find it weird that they'd surrender. Not a criticism in any way, more a musing. Like surely they're expecting any surrender to result in torture and death anyway?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    And it would even be better if NATO just came in and stopped this war. It can be done once it stays in Ukraine.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    With the talk of Finland I honestly think if Russia tried to take it by any means other than a nuke then it would be the end of the Russian state. Ukraine seems like a meatgrinder, Finland would be another level again. I mentioned to a mate about someone on here posting about a lad he knew in Finland working for Nokia who'd go off for his military service etc. and he said he was talking to a Finn on a work training course with similar experience. Was mostly jolly but said that every Finn is ready if it ever happens. He said he worked close to the border on his service and that no-one has a real idea of just how prepared Finland are.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No food, no ammunition.

    They are not going to throw stones.



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