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Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,060 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Russia has several million in total, but battle-ready and trained troops? Around 300k last I read (this figure varies a lot), of which estimated around 190k committed to Ukraine (general consensus)

    Likewise they are believed to have around 13k main battle tanks, but only around 3,000 (or less) could be considered battle ready. To give some perspective the Ukrainians are confirmed to have destroyed or captured around 500 main battle tanks. Also keep in mind tanks are just one metric, Russia has considerable air power which has not diminished at the same rate as it's armor.

    However now that Russia has shifted it's goals (dramatically), they are not trying to push on the entire country, more they are going to be holding the South and pushing just the East, they "shouldn't" require as much military as trying to take the whole country. Likewise they've learnt a lot of their limitations and are adapting. The fight in the East is going looks like it will be very difficult for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Suckler


    You don't see it as "wonderfully positive" that Ukraine have managed to fight back to some degree??

    If Ukraine had capitulated and Russia took Kiev with ease where & why do you think they'd stop? Especially given the vast resources of the Ukrainian steppes, forestry, minerals, fossil fuels etc. etc. It would be akin to a robber breaking in to a bank and stealing the charity box on the counter unless you really believe they wanted to "rescue" their own people from Ukrainian tyranny....

    Just because it's a huge country doesn't mean they had to cover every square inch of it. eight or nine of the ten biggest cities are in the east/south east - Out of the twenty biggest cities only two or three are in the west. Cities on the Black sea would be even more advantageous to them. They have already targeted/taken many of these - why? because once you control the major administrative zones & cities the rest is quite easy to control. They also have de-facto control of northern borders via Belarus. Hungarian border area would be secured by their newly elected ally, and Transnistria region in Moldova is another pro-Russian area (ok much smaller)

    Russia has razed most of what its touched in Ukraine, potential atrocities, now deploying troops to Finland for even hinting at NATO, fired at and occupied the plant at Chernobyl -risking every one of us in Europe.....yet you lay the blame at Germany....



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Suckler


    This anti-German rhetoric is oversimplifying it and incorrect. Germany aren't the only ones buying Russian fuel. India effectively cashed in by taking advantage of discounts and quadrupling its previous annual quota of Russian oil. Hungary (of course), Bulgaria, Indonesia are all taking advantage of discounts and buying Russian crude oil. Many other countries are stilling getting Russian oil by honoring existing agreements to the end of the year but not offering new agreements past that. Then you have Shell offering "Latvian Blend" - 49% Russian oil / 51% Non-russian oil - means it can be labelled as anything but Russian oil and sold without issue. But again "it's all Germany's fault".

    Most of the "countries" we talk about importing oil are actual companies (granted state owned in part) but they cannot simply stop honoring agreements with Russian companies because they don't agree with the Russian government/military. The ripple effect of legal action would be massive. Russian companies based outside of Russia would instruct proceedings against them (and win). Companies know this, they would lock them up in legal proceedings that would affect share price and costs jobs and economy. Its easy to sit here and say "turn the tap off we'll get back to you when we are ready".

    If we buy oil from else where are we complicit in their countries actions? Otherwise I'd buy your self an ass and cart again because what we use from oil/diesel/grease/rubber/plastic etc. have less than squeaky clean backgrounds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Unfortunately, that's the world we live in, and as a well off country, contribute to and benefit from. If that's inconvenient for you there's nothing I can do for you.

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    There was an unsubstantiated claim earlier today, on Twitter 😁 that the russian Black sea fleet flagship, the missile cruiser moskva had been hit by two Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles and was burning, later updated to sinking...........

    It's just been announced by the tass.ru news agency that "As a result of a fire, ammunition detonated on the moskva missile cruiser. The ship was seriously damaged. The crew was completely evacuated," the military department said.

    russian warship, go fúck yourself 😂



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Russia has a number of stragetic problem within its army.

    First there is little delegation of power. The British and US armies especially when in battle are driven by there experienced NCO's. Russia has no cadre of these.

    It's a conscript based army but it seems that these conscripts are poorly trained and this leads to poor morale.

    Russian battle groups are mainly armoured. In theory this is grand but you need either excellent air support or ground support. Russia had neither of these in the attack on Kyiv

    They are now withdrawing that army and trying to move it to support the attack on Donbass. However this army has taken a bit of a hammering and whether it can again be got battle ready is a good question.

    Russia problem with its tanks is that all are cold war design that are upgraded. Upgrades are just an upgrade in armour. The new Russian tank the Armata is not yet deployed. My understanding was Russia has less than 2k upgraded tanks. What was deployed to Ukraine is the question

    Russia has lost seven of its senior Generals and Putin has supposedly sacked another ten. In an active army of 300k it's hard to believe that this will not have a serious implications. Putin need to find a Zhukov, not an easy task where loyalty was prized over ability.

    Russia has never managed to achieve air superiority over Ukraine. In theory this would seem easier in a concentrated area like southern Ukraine. However the reverse is also true it's a smaller area for guided anti aircraft missiles to prevent this.

    Ukraine has managed to develop an alternative military flexible structure. It's army is fighting for its own country and backed at this stage by a large volunteer corp.

    It seems to be using alternative technology such as drones very effectively. It's seem to have developed a way to change non military drones into effective weapons.

    I am not sure if Putin can make significant military gains in southern Ukraine. Ukrainian military strategy maybe more effective if redeployed to this area. By the time the Russian's win control of an area there is only rubble left.

    Russia's big fear now should be revolution's within its borders.

    Just another note. The Ukraine has a full-time army of over 200k active personal and a reserve force of another 200k. It so has 50k border guards

    It has up 2 million of a volunteer for e at present. If the Ukraine can nullify the Russian airforce then.ig hard to see a successful Russian campaign in the south.

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    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Looks like any surviving crew will be redeployed as infantry men in Mauripol, their army is disintegrating by all accounts

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1514408661719912449



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭scotchy




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    Still waiting on confirmation that she sank. Reports abound of sos signals, sinking signals, that she capsized. Either way she's out of this specshul military fúck up.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It was the flagship of the black sea fleet so a fairly important ship. Could have had the fleet command on board as well.

    Russian reports that munitions on board exploded. This would be fairly serious.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭boombang


    So happy reading the news about the Moskva. Get f****d Putin!



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Some reports that nearly the entire crew are dead, the amount of munitions onboard that ship, once they went of it was game over for anyone on board



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    That crew played a large part in levelling Mauripol/aleppo was their previous playground, the blood of 1000's of civilians would be on the hands of said crew, karma's a bitch



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    Depends, it's a big ship. Be better for the world if she's at the bottom of the Black Sea all the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭alps


    We cop out when someone is being mugged.

    The effort to help the refugees is tremendous, but the term of the measure will be directly proportional to the logistical help that is given to the Ukranian army.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey




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    Badly damaged but still afloat seems to be the assessment. Demotion from submarine due.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,602 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    You don't need a massive army when you are a nuclear power for countries to be fearful of you. Fearful might even be the wrong word but you have to be extremely careful dealing with Russia for numerous reasons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭boombang


    That has made my evening. I hope they enjoy that in Ukraine tonight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,593 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Looks to have been a carefully well implemented objective.

    Seems that 50 or 60 only made it off the ship of near 490.

    Czech Republic, Slovakia, Italy and Belgium are reopening their embassies in Kyiv.



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    Haven't seen mention of casualty figures but I've no sympathy for them, or any other member of the russian forces regardless of their situation.

    If what I've read is right then it was a good operation using the drone as a distraction to cover the incoming missiles.

    Boy oh boy, mired deep in a lost war, neutral nations rushing to NATO's door, now he is bringing to life all the paranoia of enemies all around him. amadán.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Last cruiser to be sank was the Belgrano in the Falklands war. Before that it was WW two. The Belgrano was a light cruiser.

    Serious piece of kit. These ships are generally not sunk easily. It's was also a flagship so should have been the most advanced ship they had in the Black sea.

    It means now Russian will have poor navel support if it attacks Odessa. It will be dependent on a land based attack with its added risk

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Last picture of the Moldova under tow

    Slava Ukrainii



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