What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

There have been a series of political gestures by our politicians referring to refugees from various conflicts. A 100 here, and dozen there. They won't have been vetted because the gesture had been made, and there's no interest in refusing our politicians these gestures.

Um.. Merkel... Germany is screwed. They certainly didn't get the "best". In spite of Germanys top standard in education, they've had issues with upskilling migrants/refugees, even to the point of failing to establish German as being the primary used language. This is when having German is a requirement in most districts for foreign work visas (including EU citizens). Germany hasn't done well from their pushing of multiculturalism, and mass immigration, which shows in the reaction of the electorate over these issues, and the resurgence of neo-Nazism or far right groups who are managing to attract the moderates to support them, which didn't happen as much in the past.

That doesn't make any sense. Germany needed low-skilled labour to meet the demands of their large manufacturing base, and also their massive services industry. Its why the Turks were encouraged to come in the past, but they needed more. In reality, Germany encourages every "type" of migrant to come.

As for slave labour jobs, it's no different from here or any first world nation. As the cost of living increases and the population becomes more educated, the demands of native population means less people in low-skilled low-paid positions. The expectations for people to become doctors, programmers, engineers, etc becomes greater due to the education we receive, and the desire for children to surpass their parents in status, wealth, etc. Which is particularly true in Germany, as status remains incredibly important in certain parts of the country. The point being, that all first world nations are going through this.. the need for low-skilled labour to operate our cash-registers, the cleaners, etc. Very little of whats happened has been "slave labour" scenarios

Boards, as with the internet, brings out... certain agendas, and supports certain perspectives.. that's certainly true, but it's a reflection of the general attitude of the internet and social media in general. However, I have never been banned. Not once. Never been thread banned either. Plenty of warnings. haha. loads of those, but not one single ban in 20 years. Society has become more.. intolerant of expressing ideas that are deemed offensive, and it's no different on boards. There's scope to discuss those ideas, but there's a tightrope dance involved. It is what it is, and no different anywhere else online. TBH it reminds me a lot of China in some respects.

What you and the other poster are failing to recognise is that this thread would have been shutdown ages ago, if the one-sided view was the only one going. This thread seeks to counter the "approved" view on immigration. You just have to word your posts kinda carefully, and not rise to the triggering from the more PC, woke, vague, soundbite type posters. Rising to their digs is how you get banned. Simple enough. Which is why my ignore list is almost entirely populated by idiots I've encountered on this thread, because they're not interested in honest, and fair discussion. They're interested in getting you banned.

Now, I'd encourage everyone to stay and continue to discuss these kinds of topics. Being informed is important. Being able to test ideas, and develop your arguments/logic against others is also important. Without boards, I'd find it difficult to find people to test arguments against... because, in my experience, most people with an open mind are living abroad outside of Europe or western nations.

In any case, I think you're both exaggerating. Boards has it's issues, but it's not that bad.

Jordan. Very much a civilised country. Wonderful country IMHO. Plenty of problems, and a wide variety of downsides for a westerner, but overall, a great nation to live in.

As for democracy, I don't see it as being much of a wonderful distinction anymore, with people tending to ignore/dismiss the wide range of downsides (and corruption) involved. No country is perfect... but there are a few Islamic nations that do pretty well. Islamic nations are just... different. When seeking to compare Western nations with Islamic ones, we need to be honest about the shortcomings of our own societies.. otherwise there's no balance in the comparisons being made.

haha;... I'm sorry but western standards are a fantasy. We don't meet western standards, because they're never applied to western nations. There's rarely any serious effort to look at our own corruption, political elitism, etc. Try applying western standards to France (still playing imperial games in Africa), the US (Iraq invasion, and the largest supplier of military hardware worldwide), etc.

As for constantly getting better... ahh... honestly, I'd say we're regressing. Sure, religion is dying but it is being replaced by woke/PC/nutty ideas of intolerance, social conditioning and peer/societal pressure. I'd genuinely say that we are more corrupt too, whether it's business orientated or the government. What happened to any Irish politicians for their negligence over the Banking crash? or the known links to property developers, and other businesses? Nothing. Nothing at all. Western society has become extremely good at glossing over what it doesn't want to acknowledge, while waddling along in smug superiority over other countries.

Don't get me wrong. The West is still the best opportunity for a fair and balanced society for everyone... but it's sleeping in very very dirty bedcovers.

We define them, and by that definition, excuse ourselves from being judged for failing to meet them. We most certainly do not meet our own standards. Oh, maybe Ireland does, somewhat, but the bigger players? err... you really believe they do?

haha.. thank you for proving my point.