What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Sorry, but that's more claptrap. The league of nations and later the UN, both sought to force our standards on to other nations. The EU and the US both do it through the Aid programmes they're involved in, or the requirements they place on trade considerations. And that's after two centuries of colonialism and imperialism where western powers were supremely above the vast majority of other nations.

As for the prerogative to be our own judges, you don't see more than a little bias at play there? Cause I certainly do.

Oh, I have no issue with what you said about Islamic nations. We share the same concerns there. I just find the hypocrisy of western standards and the application of those standards to be disgraceful. I can't abide double standards, especially ones where we lie to ourselves to hide them.

The nature of humanity is that we expect others to be better than we are. That way we can get away with murder, while pointing out the failings of others.

We all do.

They do indeed stun them, it is allowed for.

Also, I have seen videos of halal slaughter from other countries, I have also seen slaughter in ireland, in real life. neither are nice, nearly enough to put me off, but not quite.

Sure, I get that. However, look at the US. A perfect example. The bastion of democracy and personal freedom. Also the birthplace of both PC and woke culture. One of the biggest collection of religious and other nutcases, along with protection of certain groups like the nazis. The pride and joy of modern Western democracy, where the rich become the leaders, and the poor are mostly ignored or forgotten. Adult literacy is a major issue throughout many of their States along with general access to education. Segregation, racism, elitism, etc. All pointed at, but rarely discussed in the same manner, as people would about China, Russia, etc. Because the standards aren't applied equally. The expectation of other countries to be better remains high, while we ignore the shortcomings of our own nations. Same standards, applied differently. Perfect example is the illegal invasion of Iraq by the US/UK... and it was illegal, until the UN was outright ignored, the media moved on to something else, and people stopped talking about it. But the facts of the matter haven't changed, just the excuses and justifications for what happened. However, if we applied the same standards we have for other countries engaging in war, then, the US would be up for war crimes, considering the civilian deaths associated with the Shock and Awe technique. However, most posters I've encountered online will dismiss it as irrelevant. Double standards.

Who is we?

The simple truth is that population concentrations of Muslims in Ireland remain relatively low and well-spread out. However, look at countries like France, where suburbs have been taken over, the local culture replaced with Islamic norms, and the natives are pushed out, or face intimidation for not conforming. This is not a fantasy, but a real consequence of growing numbers of Muslim communities in Western nations.

You keep ignoring what has been stated by myself and others. Comparisons between Islam and Christianity (in Ireland) count for nothing, because Christianity has been dying here since before I was born. I was raised in a devout Christian family, attended religious schools, went to the seminary, and seriously considered becoming a priest when I was a teenager. However, even at that point, the grasp of the RCC on Irish society was fading quickly. Even before the various scandals, that grasp was withdrawing, and people losing interest in being controlled that way.

It is entirely different for Islam. There has been no decline in faith, or observance of standards religious/cultural norms. If anything, there has been a shift towards the lessening of "westernised" values and a return to traditional doctrine. That's been the case in virtually all Islamic nations which, at some stage, became more liberal but have since revoked those changes, and reinstated the older more constrictive forms of societal control...

Muslims come to Europe in small groups, and many of them will embrace European values, becoming more liberal in their views. That's definitely true. However, Islam is a community driven religion, with religious observance being mandatory. As community populations increase, so too does the pressure on all Muslims involved to conform to the community's standards of behaviour.. and that includes what is acceptable/unacceptable behaviour of non-Muslims. As a result, friction occurs..

I'll describe a friend of mine that I met in China, who was studying there. He's from a Muslim family, but while in China, didn't observe the normal practices. He smoked, he drank alcohol, played in the nightclubs, had quite a bit of sex, had a rake of girlfriends (handsome and charming guy)... and he was lovely about it. Couldn't fault him even slightly. Then, his studies finished, his parents wanted him to come home to get married (arranged)... and he's different now. Completely dedicated to his faith. I visited him in his parents home, and he's an entirely different person. Incredibly judgmental towards anyone who behaves even remotely like he did, and he'll deny doing anything he did previously. To you and me, he did nothing wrong, but in the eyes of his community, it would destroy his reputation, and he would be punished for it. He has done a complete U-turn. He stopped being a child and became a man. A Muslim man. I've seen the same thing play out a number of times with Muslim guys I've met abroad.., and each time, I'm quite bemused by just how much they changed, but also, how strict their views become.

There is space for Islam to co-exist in the West, but it must come from a position of strength. As long as we're not regulating the faith, and how that faith extends beyond them, we will have friction, leading to violence, racism, and likely, much much worse within a few decades, as the pushback builds.

It's the sign of the ideologically conditioned mind. It could be religion or something else that has been placed there. You can see the same with Chinese people, who may or may not have lived in Western nations, but love the aspects of western culture that appeal to them, such as the ideas of individualism, personal freedoms, etc. However, mention Tibet, Taiwan, or a few other choice topics, and the switch is thrown. Straight away into robotic mode, saying exactly the same viewpoints, the same logic, and will often become somewhat violent/aggressive when met with opposition over these views.

I think westerners have forgotten what it's like to live in a heavily conditioned world. Sure, conditioning continues to this day through education, and the media, but it's a far more subtle form, due to the influence of marketing and behavioural psychology. Whereas when you look at the cultures which are heavily conditioned (Asian cultures usually, including Indian/Pakistani) the influence is far more obvious and heavy handed. If it's not religious in nature, it's social/political. We had the RCC, the M.East had Islam, Africa had both, and Asia had intentional social programming over the centuries. S.Korea was a bit of an eye opener to see the layers of social programming. I expected it from Japan and China (mostly from experience) but Korea surprised me by how many layers of programming exist.

In any case, the problem with Islam, is that at it's core... it's the opposite of western values... and it's not going to tolerate competition over the long-term.