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Affected by TV subjects please call

  • 14-04-2022 9:37pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Jeju


    Getting the most of my TV licence fee finishing first dates with the missus and the we are prompted with "if you are affected by any subject in this program you can call the helpline at the end of the captions". I turned round to herself and said they asking us now if we need help watching TV nowadays, where were they when we watched the news 1 hour earlier. Two horrific murders in Sligo, a war ravenged country and farmers getting put in the cold with turf cutting laws. Should all programs gave health warnings and helplines available? Tomorrow evening we have to cruificy Jesus at 3, will there be warning about this program during kids primetime



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    What was the helpline for specifically?

    First dates?

    Blind first dates?

    Were some of the participants gay / lesbian or was one of the participants transexual etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Jeju


    It was a mish mash if all sorts, even 2 friends brought their mother's to the meal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    Did the mothers eat also? How did the mothers get on with each other. Maybe they are lesbians and it was a double blind date?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,090 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The helplines are for people who need help.

    The clientele of the helplines are self selecting.

    You seem a robust enough individual who doesn't need help so I don't think you need to worry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭touts


    It started off well meaning to help people with genuine issues.

    Now they have to put the warning after almost every show because some 20 year old snowflake center of the universe may feel triggered by something in the background of the show.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭lucalux


    People don't get to pick and choose when they get affected by something on TV or radio that they are not expecting, it can be helpful to those people to be reminded that there are helplines there to deal with what might have brought on something they work very hard at trying to forget.

    I used some of those helplines myself last week, I was listening to the radio in the car, and was suddenly brought back to some very dark memories and feelings, and I was very glad to be reminded of the helplines because I didn't have anyone to speak to about how I felt. I was just trying to get a few messages and all that.

    It's PTSD in a lot of cases, it is in mine at any rate, and that can be debilitating to try to live with.

    Also, I know this is After Hours, so tbh it's probably a waste of time saying what I said, so I'll add:

    in all fairness, I doubt there's too many needing helplines for not being able to burn turf. You'd swear we had nothing else to burn in the country. (bog woman here, so don't @ me)

    jkjkjk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I’d love to work for one of these helpline services for a day/ night only to see what types of stories you get to hear. I bet some will be unusual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭black & white



    I have been a Samaritans volunteer for many years, if you’re serious about helping people you’d be welcome to contact your local centre regarding training. I can definitely tell you that some of the worst nights I ever had on duty were after Prime Time/LLS covered abuse stories.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Thank you but I wouldn’t be the right person for this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    That's not true though now is it. I've seen those warnings maybe one show per day .


    But sure that's not a thanks getter what wha. ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,805 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    If you think that's mad, Aussie tv shows (in Aus.) often have a warning that the programme may have images and/or recorded voices of dead people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis



    Lemme translate this:


    'These other people are snowflakes, despite the fact I'm completely over-reacting to other people's self contained actions. How dare other people have a different life experience to me! I'm gonna type a bunch of made up hyperbole, that I may actually have convinced myself is true, just to show how outraged I am that something came up on my tv screen during a time when I'd be most likely stretching, getting up to make tea, etc., that may possibly save someone's life. The inconvenience of having to see it with my own eyes for those few seconds is a far greater problem! But it's definitely the other people who are the snowflakes!'


    Awaiting the response, which will predictably be some sort of "definitely not snowflake like" tizzy that will include buzz words such as 'millennials', 'back in my day', 'kids these days', and so on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    ^ Nice rant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Watched a bit of Crocodile Dundee over Christmas. Pressed i button to read warning about the language used and how it was seen as ok when it was made, or words to that effect. Don't trigger the poor snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    No ranting there, just pointing out the hypocrisy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    On one hand the news is plastered with anxiety inducing disaster porn, we are bombarded with death, covid, climate change, weather warnings etc. On the other hand people apparently need helplines if a fictional character on Fair City kills themself.

    I'd be interested to know how many call these helplines as a direct result of the "issues raised in the programme" - very few I'd say. And if someone did have some sort of breakdown as a result, a helpline isn't going to do much.

    Virtue signalling, hypocritical media nonsense, basically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    That's for the aboriginal population though. It's against many tribes beliefs to view or hear anything from the dead.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,851 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    you're comparing the news to fair city?

    many people would know to avoid the news. fair city is a very different beast.

    regarding helplines; my wife worked the covid helplines for the local authority during the first couple of months in 2020 - ostensibly to link people who needed prescriptions collected, etc., with the volunteers who were running those errands. several times a day she had people on for over half an hour at a time, in floods of tears; people whose issues were not due to covid but who were barely holding on anyway before covid hut. you don't need to scratch nearly as deep as people suspect in irish society to find people who maybe just need a sympathetic ear to talk to. because sometimes (emphasis on 'sometimes' there), that's what's required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Goway with the sense.


    We need to scoff at others. It's how you win the internet. Scoff scoff other people aren't like me ..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    How is the news a very different beast? Anyone who takes a decision to avoid the news because it's full of anxiety inducing rubbish is unlikely to be affected by the issues on Fair City if they even watch it at all.

    As for local authority helplines - these are the same local authorities that have, in many cases, been providing a rubbish service with terrible phone and other communication for years. Covid arrives and the sloths who have been in hibernation suddenly wake up to deal with a "trendy" issue . Those people in floods of tears who rang Covid helplines during the initial lockdown are still dealing with their issues while the LAs have moved on to the next trend (Ukraine or climate change)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭touts


    Never has someone proven a point so effectively while trying to disprove it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Did you think that was me being outraged/butt hurt somehow? Oh no, as I said, that was me laughing at your hypocrisy.


    Are you telling me that not only are you a hypocrite, but you also see outrage where there is none? I probably shouldn't be surprised by that, but here we are.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,851 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i've been staring at this post wondering how to respond for the last few minutes, and i'm struggling. you seem to be doing well with your life; long may it last, and hopefully you'll never need to avail of services you seem to scornfully disdain. and i don't mean to patronise, but the efficiency in which they are delivered is no reflection on the necessity of their delivery, which was the actual focus of my point. your retort about local authority helplines stinks of going for the ankles and not the ball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭touts


    You are getting very outraged for someone who claims not to be outraged. When you are in a hole you really should stop digging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭Heckler


    I was in a very bad place many many years ago (suicidal) and rang the Samaritians. I don't want to diminish the good work they do, maybe I got a dud but he was useless. Just yes,ok,umhmm to anything I said. No engagement whatsoever. I know they are not trained psychotherapists or whatever but are they just a sounding board or what ? Respect to the volunteers for their time and effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,407 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    First Dates was it?

    Can't get a bird: no chance of a ride.

    Got a bird: too much hassle....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 PipingProblems


    I think you're the one who has just proven their point. I didn't read any outrage in their posts, only yours. Just as they said, pointing out yours which you seem to be continuing to help with doing. Do you know what outrage is?


    As others have said, it's a small thing to help with a big problem. For those it doesn't apply to, it's barely worth noting. For those that it targets, it can make the world of difference. I can't imagine getting so worked up to start a thread on it, when it shouldn't actually impact your life all that much other than a bit of extra watching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    The thread started as the message doesn't belong after a show like first dates, grand if it was after prime time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    If looking for unusual stories is your focus... you are certainly not the right person for the job.

    I worked on a fairly general helpline during the Covid crisis and the stories and experiences I dealt with were heartbreaking, tragic, worrying, disturbing, urgent etc.... it was a tough experience only counteracted by the fact that I had the support services behind me so that I could direct help to the person in need.

    The amount of mental anguish, poverty, abuse and desperation that exists in this country absolutely floored me. Even though the line was not mental health related, there were suicide ideation calls every day, with more and more coming through as the pandemic conditions worsened. We had a panel of Samaritan volunteers on standby if we could convince callers to stay on the line and I know that lives were saved because the number we were answering was being promoted on TV and radio. I took the position to help out generally, but could not have coped if I didn't already have training in crisis intervention and suicide prevention - even though it should not have been a factor on the specific line I was working on.

    If a quick reminder on the TV or radio can point someone in crisis to a place where they can get help, then it is a mention well made. If it doesn't apply to you, spare a thought for someone who might need it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 PipingProblems


    The mental health situation in Ireland is horrendous. I don't know what exactly was on that episode, but there is every chance someone was discussing a topic with a well known trigger. They do seem to be very open about what they talk about on that show. Not necessarily a bad thing, it's nice to see people being open, but some topics are harder than others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,369 ✭✭✭893bet


    I guess like when watching a tramatic movie it can make you emotional. Just imagining what’s going on happening to your family.


    Then consider watching a tramatic movie or show that is actually based on events that have happened you.


    And first dates is a tragedy of a show at this point. Best thing they could do is leave it to the dates and cut out any “snips” from the staff in the garden as it is so so so fake and cringy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    The manner in which these services is delivered is relevant because services are delivered in a half arsed manner based on trends, virtue signalling, optics, politics and, naturally, money.

    Having been a public servant for many years, I have seen it from the inside. Now I'm no longer employed and you are entirely wrong about me BTW - I'm going through harsh times and I keep hearing about how I should do this or do that or such and such will help. Load of bollocks. A facade of caring.

    If someone has a genuine mental health issue as a result of watching First Dates, a helpline won't do them much good. RTE virtue signals by advertising the helpline - if the programme is so triggering, why show it in the first place? Money

    NGOs (state funded) lap the whole thing up, the people manning these helplines may be volunteers but no doubt there are others getting paid. Money.

    There is a bigger picture here. State funding of and abdication of responsibility to a huge number of NGOs plus the way RTE operates. I'm all for RTE being a public service broadcaster which reports news in a balanced objective manner and carries out investigative journalism. When someone uncovers the latest state/church/health service scandal, I've no issue with a well organised phone line where people can seek help or report their experiences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 PipingProblems


    If someone has a genuine mental health issue as a result of watching First Dates, a helpline won't do them much good. RTE virtue signals by advertising the helpline - if the programme is so triggering, why show it in the first place? Money

    First dates isn't going to cause a mental health issue. The people affected will already have a chronic mental health issue, and topics on the show may bring up very negative emotions to the point of a panic attack or worse. In which case, a helpline should help with the acute attack of symptoms.

    If we lived our lives avoiding every trigger, we wouldn't do anything because every person with those sort of problems are different. Obviously, if something is distressing for the general populous to watch, then questions should be raised about whether it is appropriate to show. For smaller things, then a posting of a helpline isn't inappropriate.

    Regarding the current state of those helplines, and the general mental health services, isn't really the topic at hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Thanks for the moral preaching, but I did clearly say that I’d simply be interested in the stories, and that I would not be the right person to be manning the helpline, so you could have spared yourself typing all that text.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Mocking your outrage is not outrage in itself. Quite the opposite, it has given me a good laugh. You must spend a lot of time angry if you make things up to get upset about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,198 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    In a year or two it will be a case that they’ll probably be at the end of a football match and broadcast… “if you or anyone you know have been..”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    If some of the fans threw bananas on the pitch or something. They could dynamically display it (for racism).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,407 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    They should have that now for every time Ireland play





  • If people with serious mental health difficulties were afforded proper care in this country by fully funded state healthcare services there would be little need for sporadic helplines other than eg Samaritans for momentary crises that can happen people any time. Just as Brian said, the state is satisfied to minimally fund mental healthcare and allow NGOs and charities take over the area, which rely on sponsored parachute jumps, walks etc, with a few coming under scrutiny on account of their heads pocketing a lot of the proceeds.

    Imagine if we left a fair amount of eg. cardiac care to well-meaning volunteers, where charitable people might look after you well in the event of a heart attack. It just wouldn’t wash, yet the people of this country seem quite satisfied that mental health can be largely taken care of by well-intended and very good people on a charitable basis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭black & white




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭touts


    You'll find life is much easier if you choose not to be so easily triggered. Genuinely. Don't seek to be so annoyed at other people all the time. They are just muddling through like you and you probably don't even register on their radar when they do things to trigger you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭touts


    You're the one who seems very worked up. You really need to relax and stop taking things so seriously. You'll find life is much easier if you choose not to be so easily triggered. Genuinely. Don't seek to be so annoyed at other people all the time. They are just muddling through like you and far from seeing you as the center of the universe that they aim all their annoying traits towards, you probably don't even register on their radar when they do things that you choose to be triggered by.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    If I'm playing a game of Buzzword Boards Bingo, does this mean I get double the points for all the buzz words you've managed to squeeze in there, or does it not count since it's two posters? Because I'm almost at Bingo, I just need you to sneeringly say "safe space", or "millennial".

    Your attempts to make it seem like I'm the one outraged, triggered, * insert another buzzword here * is just adding to the entertainment by the way. I keep reading the post directed towards me, and they certainly are all words. It's fascinating how you can come across as both a member of the bitter old men club who shake fists at clouds, and also use the childish "nuh uh, you are!".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,407 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    can we just agree that no-one is triggered and move on?

     and also use the childish "nuh uh, you are!".

    you started it...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,588 ✭✭✭touts


    Ok. This is pointless. If it makes you feel any better in your life let's say you win. Congratulations! Have a good 5 minutes until the next thing triggers you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    I pointed out a hypocrisy that's rampant on Boards, regarding how many people get very wound up about other people's lives that have very little impact on them, and still seem to think the other people are the issue. If the poster had come back with an equally valid post to the contrary, you'd have a point. They didn't, and instead resorted to the aforementioned childishness.

    As funny as it's been to see them run around in circles chasing their tail to keep up, there is a point to it. At the end of the day, the helpline notice does not truly have any real impact on the people it isn't targetting. If, somehow, you* feel in any way that is does, then that sort of hypocrisy deserves to be called out. As far as I and any reasonable person are concerned, a few extra seconds of watching is not the same level of an issue as the very real impact certain things have on sufferers of PTSD and panic disorder. And if, somehow, you feel that it does, then please know that you are in a very privileged position to not only have not gone through something bad enough to cause PTSD, but to also not have to live with the long term consequences of it. Gosh, I wish I lived a life that has gone well enough that other people's hard times gives me a hard time (and I don't mean in an empathetic way).

    If me, making fun of someone who seems to think their ability to watch a tv show without an extra few seconds they don't actually have to acknowledge, is more important than someone else's reminder that there's help out there if needed, makes me the over wrought one then despite the massive jumps of logic needed to come to that conclusion, fine.

    I stand by what I said. Getting upset and throwing around buzzwords like "snowflake", and "triggered" because of something that makes other people's lives a little easier, makes you fair game for being called out on it.


    *you, in this case, being the collective



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 PipingProblems


    Absolutely no arguments from me there. I'm all too aware of how bad our mental health services are.

    The point of this thread seems to be to shame those who might need the helpline services that are available, not so much how bad those services are. Criticising shows for putting the helpline contact details at the end (e.g. calling it virtue signalling nonsense) because they don't deem anything in them as bad enough is not making the point that the services are bad, it's making the point that those who are unlucky enough to experience the effects of triggers are over-reacting. The thing about these sort of conditions though, is that there are a variety of things that can set it off and it's not something someone can easily control. It doesn't necessarily have to make sense to the general public, but a little bit of empathy goes a long way instead of scoffing at people who are already finding it tough.


    I feel like I've suddenly been thrown back into secondary school with this sort of behaviour. If you can't discuss things without sounding like a b*tchy teenager, then I have no interest in discussing anything with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    its always mentioned at the end of programmes with disturbing content....

    so how come they never mention it at the end of Mrs Brown's Boys ??? 😶



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    PipingProblems - The RTE that is promoting these helplines is the same RTE that, during Covid, had members of ISAG on numerous tv and radio programmes. ISAG who had a stated policy to investigate ways to increase anxiety, uncertainty and insecurity in the population.

    There was also Tony Holohan and the covid Worry Index. Tony was worried that people weren't worried enough.

    Very apparent in the reporting of weather too.

    On the other hand, there are mental health helplines promoted after fictional and fluff programmes. I'd love to see research on how beneficial these helplines are, how many call them or if they reach people who are having a genuine issue.

    The inadequate provision of services is very relevant here - it is a common tactic in modern life to abdicate responsibility and make token, easy gestures in order to try to deflect attention and fake care. It can be seen in public life, workplaces etc. In that case, yes it fits the description of virtue signalling.

    E.g. an employer won't hire enough staff or won't deal with bullies - it may even see bullies as effective and valuable workers. Then the same employer puts on mindfulness classes for staff "to assist them with coping with the stresses of modern life" I.e. it gaslights the staff.



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