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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    An article naming a person who is charged with murder while the case is sub judice and literally anything written about it can impact on the court case.

    There's a reason why people won't read Gript and it's because John McGuirk and co are f*cking idiots. Why are they writing that and trying to jeopardise a court case?

    Absolute thicks.

    Also, McGuirk and co. opposed same-sex marraige and tried every trick in the book to scare people into voting no, and NOW they pretend to care about the LGBTQ+ community.

    Gript is an absolute ****-show of a publication run by truly horrible people. However, people will read what they want to hear and call it fantastic journalism.

    Thankfully, those here who can actually think for themselves can see the pieces like this for what they really are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,519 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Sorry, Bubbly pop, but all religions are not the same, especially the ones that advocate death, and neither are all people the same, and that's for sure. And the case I mentioned was not a case of some one turning to religion as they got older. She did not suddenly turn religious, she was always religious, insisting on an Islamic wedding ceremony, and insisting he go through with the ceremony, despite he telling her that he would never become a Muslim. So why get married to him in the first place then, if Islam was so important to her? Truth is that after looking after her and her daughters very well for more than 20 years, she pulled the plug on their marriage. As to what that has to do with Life, I'm pretty sure that my friend could educate you on that score. And before you jump in with " lots of marriages break down", sure they do but not because of religion.

    Yesterday evening, I wished a Syrian Muslim friend " Happy Birthday", same as I have been doing for years, and this morning I had a long chat with a Pakistani friend who called me and repeated his invitation to visit him and stay in his house for the duration. All perfectly normal. I have no problems with Muslims, its Islam, and especially radical Islam I have a problem with.

    So you are "Out of here, and don't care", if the last sentence in your post is anything to go by, I wont care either, if that's the best you can do.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Everyone has an issue with radical Islam.

    As for your friend, yes, marriages do break down. Perhaps she just used it as an excuse? I think it's weird that you don't put the blame on her, for breaking up the marriage, but on her religion instead? Very strange, particularly as you say, she was always religious. Clearly after 20 years of marraige, she had had enough, and she ended the marriage. Her.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    While many might disagree, I don't see my views as being of the right. I see most of my views as being centralist. A little bit of the left and a little bit of the right. I was on another thread where I mentioned that I was quite conservative in my views, and that I seriously supported proper research being performed before ideas are implemented. A range of posters immediately threw me into the "right" camp. The problem with that though is that there is no real distinction made between the right and the far/Alt right. The association is automatically made due to the influence of the media and left leaning groups. (Thank you America for all the shite you've infected Europe with.)

    The problem with boards is that many (not all) of the mods reflect the attitudes of those posters who sought to box me into the right. Nuance is very much discouraged here. Just as context is. You have to be careful with posting on boards because of that... and the fact that most of us react far too quickly to being triggered than we should. But again, that's a result of social conditioning from being exposed to the media, and social media for so long.

    In any case, I'll leave it at that because I can feel the breath of the mods on my neck with this post. A tightrope indeed.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    TBH in this day and age... I don't trust any journalism. I've had too many conversations with friends who work in that area, who have remarked on just how many articles are bought and paid for by interested parties. There are just too many agendas at play, and very little honesty in plugging for them.

    It's not even the case, anymore, that some are worse than others. It's simply that some are more obvious or transparent than others.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭sonar44


    Can you point to the text in the article that's legally problematic and we'll compare and contrast with commentary elsewhere.

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So you are "Out of here, and don't care", if the last sentence in your post is anything to go by, I wont care either, if that's the best you can do.

    The problem with "his" attitude is that he cannot tolerate any criticism of his supported groups. Hence, the xenophobic racist aholes comment... and very likely, regardless of being flagged for it, nothing will happen. That's where we are now. Criticism especially rational/logical criticism of certain groups cannot be tolerated. Muslims are allowed into this protection.. although honestly, I can't see why that would be the case. For all the comparisons made with Christianity, we never see Islam being judged in the same manner that Christianity has. The sheer amount of bile that is directed at the Catholic faith, but Islam cannot be spoken about in the same manner. All priests of Catholic faiths are responsible for what some others did, but Muslims can't be held to the same standard.

    It's utterly bizarre to me the way Islam has gained this special (although considering how many minority groups exist these days, it's hardly special anymore) protection against criticism. I could understand the protection against ranting, bile spewing idiots, but rational and logical arguments? Meh.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,409 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Hospitality sector pay peanuts, hence they are crying out for staff, you use one sector as a barometer for the whole employment market ? 🤪



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He doesn't have any supported groups. Can you explain that a bit better please?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Are you asking me to break sub judice?

    Yes, you are. It's a case before the courts, and they're writing about someone who, in the eyes of the law, is innocent until proven guilty (as the article points out), and in the next sentence talking about "imported" motives about not one, but two cases that are currently before the courts.

    Yes, that is entirely legally problematic, and I know this from working in the law. What are your qualifications to tell me otherwise?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Also the job security and working conditions tend to be pretty bad across the board. Hospitality has a seriously bad reputation for anyone who is not in a niche/specialist position, and even then, most Irish I know in those areas, would prefer to be working abroad than here. The industry here doesn't value it's staff enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭sonar44



    Have you an issue with Mary McAleese talking about religions that are a "conduit for homophobia" for example?

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Are you just going to ignore what I said?

    You asked me a question, I answered it. I would expect you to acknowledge it or tell me why you think I’m right or wrong before you try to shift the goalposts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭sonar44



    I asked you to point out the text you had an issue with and you refused to say on the grounds that the the text is, in your opinion, sub judice.


    Not a lot I can do with that, so I moved on to commentary you might feel you can comment on.

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Yes most people want to work, also a lot of people dont want to work .

    Anyone who does work though would like a living wage instead of a minimum wage and also be treated as well as someone who doesn't want to work.

    Never mentioned what kind of workers the Ukrainian people are, but from what I gather very hard working and proud people. I was referencing more about the wages paid by the hospitality sector. You already know this but you always have to put another twist on things to push some half ass narrative of your own.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    See bubbly you haven't a clue what you are on about. Working for minimum wage in a bar might not and probably wouldn't be as good as being on the dole when all the benefits are weighed up. This is the problem. Fuel allowance, rent supplement, medical card etc etc. Would they be better off than on the dole, this is the problem.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have no idea what your talking about putting any twist on anything!

    yes people who work would like a living wage, and I would think most people who work would like to be treated better then someone who does not want to work.

    So, what's your point? And what is my 'twist ' exactly? What narrative do you think I have?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I didn't refuse to say. I was very careful in what I said. I'm not going to quote directly from a text which is clearly breaching sub judice. That's what you asked me to do.

    If you can't see that I made a genuine, conscious effort to answer your question then that says more about you than it does about me, quite frankly.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I never said they would be better off working.

    I said it is better that they work, rather then be on the dole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    I never presumed anything about the Ukrainians and work ethic.

    I see you edited your reply to me on the other page. Did you have a change of heart or was it just a mistaken quote when replying.



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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I thought maybe you picked me up wrong, I was agreeing with you.

    You also said they will soon realise your far better off on benefits. that doesn't mean they won't work, the majority of people go to work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader




  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's ok, reading it again, I probably picked your question up wrong.

    Just to make it clear, I believe that anyone who works should always be better off then those that do not. Work should be encouraged and rewarded.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    No bother bubbly we both agree on that. Have a good weekend



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭sonar44



    Don't feel you have to directly quote so. Offer a hint as to what you think is the problem because I've read the article and see no issues whatsoever.

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    You might want to read my post again because I've already explained it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭sonar44



    Ok.


    Seeing as we are on the topic of sub judice as you understand it, have you an issue with Mary McAleese talking about religions that are a "conduit for homophobia" in the context of this murder?

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Agree with all that but I still think that moderation used to be far more WOKE



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I love Gript , breath of fresh air in our single ideology media marketplace


    I donate to it

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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Show me where she made reference to this case, please.

    Mary McAleese has spoken about the religions **** attitudes to LGBTQ+ for years, as well.



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