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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    England's fixtures are now a 3 match series at home to New Zealand. A tough series and we will assume that Broad and Anderson will be permanently frozen out.

    1 game against India after the insurance scam of last year.

    3 tests against South Africa. Theres a bit of turmoil brewing with South Africa over players choosing to play IPL over Tests. So England may have a shot here.

    Then a 3 match series in Pakistan (if they bother to go). This will be a very very tough series. Dead wickets with nothing happening and batsmen needing to have to bat long periods of time on slow wickets. Pretty much everything England cant do.

    They may weasel a win or 2 during the summer but the winter will be bleak. If Root is hanging onto his captaincy now, he most certainly won't be captaining the team after the Pakistan tour. They look dead certs to finish last in the test championship (of which they are bottom now). And I wouldn't be surprised if the ended up with minus points with their notoriously slow over rates.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    In reference to the new captain, it would be ridiculous to lump Stokes with the captaincy along with everything else.

    A choice would be for Broad for a couple of years until he packs it in. That won't go down well with Root though. But Broad seems to have been forcibly retired. Woakes would be a contender but he's having trouble keeping his place.

    If Foakes had a solid Windies tour, he could have been there as a stop gap but he didn't do much with the bat.

    The ECB are just going to have to accept the situation they are in and end up with Rolling/non permanent captains. Selecting the captain per series.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Ben Stokes is 31 in a few weeks… played a huge amount of cricket in all 3 formats over his career thus far.. as well as bowling way to many overs in tests…22 in the first innings here…Overton bowled 23, Mahmood 24…. He’s bowling the same volume of overs as a frontline seamer, but then expected to go out, score big runs… BRAIN DEAD CAPTAINCY !!! he should despite his massive pedigree be told… T20 just sit those out going forward..absolutely fûck all point in him being selected barring a World Cup…use him sensibly in tests, about 15 overs bowling per innings max and then give him the captaincy.

    the Guardian, The Times & The Mail all lambasting Roots captaincy this morning. The Guardian, a very much rated authority on the sport.


    “England’s big reset is undermined by Joe Root’s third-class captaincy”

    very much worth a read..





  • Registered Users Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Great catch! Lead of just 23..



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Brilliant catch..

    leach gone, review showed a clear spike and noise as the ball passes the bat.

    however, there was also a clear gap and daylight between ball and bat… a weird dismissal…



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Wonder will Root go?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    Can't see why he would stay on as the side is going nowhere with him and look tired and lacking spark. It's run it's course now and when it's time, it's time and sadly for Root, that should have been at the Ashes. 1 win in their last 17 test matches. It's over.

    For me I would select Broad as captain. He is committed to Test Cricket and has at least another couple of years left in him. It's the only clear choice with Ben Stokes simply having too much on his plate already. I don't get any leadership vibes from the rest of the England side.

    It looks like Broad is being pushed aside by Strauss and the ECB but that hasn't done them much good so far. I think he could be a decent leader if given the chance. He has pretty strong views on the game and I reckon this England team needs a vocal leader without the cliches.

    Think of the England ODI side before Eoin Morgan became captain, where they were ambling to nowhere. That's how much a leader can change things. Obviously England are currently going through a very poor generation of cricketers at Test Match level, but keeping things as they are will just produce the same results and big changes are needed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Broad would make an excellent captain… right sort of personality, speaks well and intelligently on the sport, respected, a leader, but … in a few weeks he’s 36…old for a bowler, he’s a lot of miles on the clock, in the last year- 18 months , or so of his career so it would be a stop gap appointment really.

    there are a lack of candidates really… Stokes is the obvious one but in an ideal world you not want to burden a great talent like Ben with that responsibility… he bats, bowls, now captains ? Ok in limited overs…but over a 5 day test that could be a hell of a burden.

    who else ? Bairstow ? In decent form with the bat last 18 months….has he the want, will, personality ?


    Australia set for a mammoth score vs Pakistan, 209-3 after 33 overs



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The entire cricket schedule is a bit underwhelming this summer. That might be a bit harsh of an observation considering what’s been going on in the world.. but there is a far too great a prevalence of one day cricket…

    the English only playing three tests vs New Zealand but in the middle of the International summer starting Jun 17th they’ve a three match ODI series against the Netherlands… surely a fourth NZ test could have been worked out.

    I know we benefit as we get to play them in 5 or 6 limited overs games which I’ll look forward to but…

    tests don’t seem to be considered the must have fixtures on the calendar any more. Which is depressing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Some performance this by Australia in the women's world cup final, setting England 357 to win, England's run rate in response is admirable but too many wickets gone. England won the toss and elected to bowl which looks like a mistake. Healy hit a massive 170 at the top of the order for the Aussies - she's the tournament top scorer, Sciver has just got her century for England.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    England girls gave it a good go, just wickets kept falling too regularly…. Huge total to chase.

    watching New Zealand vs Netherlands..

    Netherlands bowlers all over New Zealand who are only 14-1 after 5 overs…. Impressive by the Dutch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Really no cricket of an interesting / ultra top level competitive range in any format, anywhere in the world until June and the England vs New Zealand series…disappointing but suppose with everything happening in the world it’s a minor complaint…



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    The IPL is ongoing, like it or loathe it that counts as top level competitive cricket. The County Championship starts today too, only first class but with them all being streamed with commentary can be a good watch. Less than ideal conditions to say the least for the first round of games in that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The quality of the streams are excellent, pretty much broadcast quality.

    IPL I’ve always struggled with I dunno, franchise cricket, the elaborate costumes, the theatrics along the boundary…£$£$£$

    probably a bit cynical I dunno.but, the competition hasn’t gripped me as maybe I thought it would.



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    I can see why the IPL isnt everyones cup of tea. I've an Aussie friend who refers to it as glorified Rounders. Personally I find it entertaining. I like being able to sit back, watch a game in about 3 hours and not have to think to deeply about what's going on

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    Root has finally stepped down as England captain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    It will be interesting now to see if Broad and Anderson are allowed back. It will also be awkward as f**k for Root considering he got Strauss to do his dirty work.

    They will lump it on Stokes and put pressure on him to take it. There will be media "leaks" from Harrison to say he is the choice, to make it obvious that it was Stokes that turned it down.

    They may even go with Broad. Fan favourite, fans will get behind him for what could be a rough summer.

    The decision and process will be designed purely to keep the heat off Tom Harrison in the short term.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Good for Root to be rid of it. You can't polish a turd. Next captain won't fare any better until they can get a consistent top six that average 40 plus and a quality spinner.

    Not sure about burdening a character like Stokes with it. Too injury prone and add his recent mental health problems. Broad hasn't been a regular for a few years now. Rory Burns or Buttler would have been two decent candidates. When Lees was selected it was mentioned that he captained the Lions and his county but doubt he's an option this time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭crossman47


    For me its a no brainer. They should make Morgan captain. Hes clearly the best they have for that role even if his batting at test level is weak.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Just seeing the Root news, probably inevitable. Stokes the obvious choice but not sure that's the best move. Maybe Broad as a short term solution to see if someone else emerges, he's not guaranteed a place in the team but probably stands a better chance in home test matches.

    The Morgan idea is thrown around but in a team that's already struggling for runs, adding someone who hasn't played Test Cricket for nearly a decade doesn't seem like a great move.

    It seems Rob Key is getting the Managing Director role. That looks like a good move, it may also have hastened Root's decision.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Key will want Crawley captain. Bit mad he's in consideration for that job. Never struck me as an administrator type.

    The Morgan ship has sailed. After Cook was the time if that was to ever happen. A complete outsider might be an option. Name I see a lot is the Somerset captain Tom Abell.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The ECBs mantra over the last number of years was to get influential people off TV and within the system.

    Strauss started commentating and the ECB got him straight back into the system because his words carry weight. They found roles for James Taylor and Trescothick as soon as they picked up mics too.

    Key has been commentating for a few years, wouldn't have been high profile when he first started but grew into an influence. They basically want him off the TV and the know he has made a lot of friends within the media, so they may not be quick to criticize him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Ed Smith was on TMS before too remember.

    Mark Nicholas wants the job as well.

    Specialists are needed not famous faces off the telly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,118 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Stokes as captain seems a terrible idea to me. He's your star player who both bats and bowls, plays all formats and has only recently taken a chunk of time off to protect his mental health. He clearly doesn't need the burden of captaining the team on top of all that.

    Personally I'd give it to Broad for 18 months and then see where things are after that. He would seem a steady short term solution and I don't think he should have been dropped in the first place. Practically nobody other than Root, Stokes and Robinson (definitely not captain material) are guaranteed a spot in that team these days so I think appointing someone as long term captain is pointless right now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    i recall reading that Joe Root in his last 17 test matches as England captain, only won a single test. Overall 27 tests won from 64 played as captain.

    candidates to replace him…

    Broad… he’s 36 in a few weeks, his goose is cooked

    Bairstow… these days just not consistent enough with the bat to guarantee a place in the team…last few innings…..

    0,22,20,29,140,15,113,41,53,5,15.

    he’s not picked for his wicket keeping, Ben Foakes has the gloves…. Bairstow is selected as a specialist batsman… but in his last 11 innings he’s only made 3 scores of any note… about a 27% conversion rate. So his place in the team is under scrutiny…not ideal captaincy material.

    in hindsight it probably has to be Stokes… retire him from 20-20… encourage him to bowl less in tests… easier said than done when your frontline seamers are constantly misfiring.

    either way there isn’t a solution you’d bet the house on…. Very uncertain and challenging times for English cricket.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,118 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/apr/17/stuart-broad-distances-himself-from-interim-england-cricket-captain

    It doesn't sound like it'll be Broad anyway. As I said above I don't think it's a good idea but I imagine it'll go to Stokes now. Retiring him from T20s would probably be a good idea if he's to captain the test side but I doubt you'll get him to do that before the world cup next November.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Rob Key confirmed. The reaction from Sky (who will be covering all the tests this summer and the hundred) is "Great Appointment", "Great cricketing brain" etc.

    Now, I really enjoy Rob Key and like him but this is beyond cynical from the ECB.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,998 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I don't have a choice. But if it were up to me and me only, I would pick somebody who hates white ball cricket. That's why I don't get to pick people 😁

    I am not saying he is a bad choice. I like Rob Key, he talks a good game. What I a saying is that he was picked cynically and for the wrong reasons.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,829 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Mr steal a living is bowling pies again in the IPL, Chris Jordan



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