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R Kings and other car raffles

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Wincar seem to have draws that last for flipping ages.


    Rkings have a nice one at the moment, choose between RS6 Avant or M3 - VRT for both are off the charts though (over 40k)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Lord Nikon


    I noticed a new raffle website with a new 4k TV going for €5 a ticket which seems reasonable. Has a business address, phone number too, seems legit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Storm had an incredible ferrari up - had to buy a ticket for it as it was the ferrari or 140k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Lord Nikon


    Oh I deffo would have bought a ticket to that. Just looked at that other site now, they are doing free competition for Airpods just for a follow. Might try my luck. https://www.facebook.com/Dreamwinners.ie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    R Kings now majority owned by an American gaming company, 80% sold for 10m



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭Lord Nikon


    Wonder if people will be happy with all that money leaving the country now, won't be spent here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    I doubt most people will notice/care as long as they win something.

    Most of these raffle sites seemed to have had their day back when most of Europe was in lockdown and people had a little spare money to spend. I can see that the draws have slowed down at this stage and plenty of them are being rescheduled as not enough tickets are being sold to cover the prizes, whereas during lockdown, draws would sell out in days for the most part.

    I've not entered one of these raffles since the end of 2020 and I have several friends who are the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,372 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Weren't R Kings always UK based? But tbh it never bothered me at all.

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭lcstress2012


    Ooosch Giveaways have a cracking 2018 BMW 5 series m sport there for €15!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Does it really matter, I'm not too pushed on any of my tax money being used to fund Varadkars multiple holidays no more than keeping it wine o clock for Boris



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    Having seen their 'set up' in Newry last year when I won, it was just a lot in an industrial park with a load of new and old cars. Its all in their online presence and the way they dress up the prizes. Fair play to the lads. The saw a gap in the market and made a pile of money and now have made even more selling it on!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I'm very jelaous of those lads, it's such an easy way of making money, you just need people.

    There's loads of copycats trying it too. I saw a Luckyday competitions sponsored post on facebook. It must have been on for a solid 6 months. Then I think farmers journal noted the first lucky day winner was an announced for that prize, a ford tractor.

    I do wonder how much people are spending on these comps. You only hear the winners for a ticket cost of 20 pounds of whatever.

    I do find them expensive enough, I haven't entered any yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    I won a BMW with a few £2 entries. Didn't keep it, sold it straight away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    They have a Huracan Performante up for grabs now 😎

    Assuming its on UK not NI plates whats the best way to keep the car if a handsome ROI person such as myself would win, move to the UK and work for a year then apply for VRT exemption coming back?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭case_sensitive


    Yep, this came to pass. They only sold 38% of their tickets, and wouldn't you know it, the prize is no longer an RS6 / €180k, but €90k. You could dip out fr a full refund if you replied back before 11am (mail went out a little after midnight) as prize is half the value now.

    I don't have any reason to suspect they didn't intend to offer the full prize, but if they take no risk at all when they can't get to their target, why would you choose to send it there? I doubt I'll go with them again, but I also didn't look for a refund. Only got 1 ticket, but at a 40% discount, I'm hanging on to the slim (1/3729 unless there's schnakey trickery afoot) chance of €90k, which would probably still build my dream garage.


    "Sales are now closed for RS6, as we been restricted from advertising for past two months on facebook Audi RS6 wasn’t sold out. 

    As per our terms & conditions we going to proceed with cash alternative draw tomorrow, we gathered €90,000 after discounts and is all going for tomorrow's draw.

     If you are unhappy with our decision please contact us and we will cancel your order and issue full refund before 11am tomorrow. Entry list will be available at around 12pm which will be emailed to you. Draw will go ahead at approximately 9pm

     Thanks for Understanding

    Wincar.ie Team"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭homingbird


    Just bought a couple of tickets for phones they are raffling if i am lucky enough to win will anpost be looking for a cut out of it ie customs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Miscreant




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭rodge123


    If it’s one of the northern raffle companies then just go up and collect prize off them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭homingbird


    If it's a prize ie I only paid tickets price when custom s asked how much I paid . They can't charge the same as a gift.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    I wouldn't be so sure. Revenue and customs have valuations for everything. I doubt they will believe that an iPhone 13 pro max or whatever the prize is only cost 10 quid.

    As another said, you can anyways drive North and collect if you win but chances are that you'll be OK.... May be worth the gamble. :)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    I see McKinney have an Audi q7 2021 reg for a raffle tomorrow, I did a quick calculation basic info etc on VRT it came in at €33k wtf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,562 ✭✭✭celt262


    These guys seem to be coming under a bit of pressure as they are now selling tickets for .99p and under for a lot of the competitions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Dublintom16


    R-King's are very legit, I won a F1 package to the Italian grand Prix this September, cost me £10. They rang me that evening (Monday night) I won it and the travel agent was in contact with me the next day. (Wife was going to bring me for my 40th so saved a bundle of money). My brother also won a top of the range Drone and accessories worth around a grand or more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭WacoKid


    I won a car. They rang few mins after the Weds draw and I collected it in Newry following Mon. They said they would deliver also if needs be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,847 ✭✭✭✭callaway92




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    It is a scam I entered thousands of times and never won anything. Deffo scam.



    That's a joke I never entered ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    You could also say it was a fad and when someone spends a €100 on a few tickets and win nothing the don’t be long getting cured.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 23,152 ✭✭✭✭beertons


    Was at my last call with work earlier. Saw an English reg rs6 in the spot the owner usually parks. Strange. He was telling me he wanted to trade his Etron for one a while back. In I go. Yep, it's his. Won it on RKings. Gas. His daughter won a trip to some grand prix recently too. And a young lad who works for him had an M4 last week. I thought he was paying them too much wages, turns out he was party of the treble. 3 winners, same shop, 2 weeks. Unreal coincidence.


    I've a ticket bought for the r golf. Low odds. Could do with a bit of good fortune lately. Losing my job after 26 years next week. I feel old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    Best of luck with the draw @beertons . I've been in a similar position before with work and hopefully that good fortune will come your way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    Seems a remarkable coincidence to have 3 winners in what I assume is a small to medium sized company. I wonder what's their secret?

    You didn't happen to enquire how much they have gambled on RKings over the years?

    Or if they might have some other "conection" at play?





  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 23,152 ✭✭✭✭beertons


    I know yer man bought 20 tickets for the rs6, they were cheap though, think it cost a score.

    I didn't ask how long or how much they spent. That's why I don't keep count of what I've spent on the lotto. Or smokes. Lord, I'd have a G Wagon.


    I will ask him how saucy the VRT was.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭rodge123


    Has anybody ever entered the competitions via the free postcard route and checked that they actually were entered into the draw?

    If so, thinking it’s worth doing for some of the draws that have a long lead in time to draw date. For example some of the McKinney ones have over two weeks until the draw at times. And in particular worth while for the big prize draws that have high entry cost.

    I see they ask for an unenclosed postcard that had to have all your details like name, address, email, phone number. Guessing to discourage people as they might not want that info visible to everyone via a postcard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭rodge123


    So I tried this and sent a postcard last Thursday to them for a completion that was on tonight. And surprise, surprise…my name was not mentioned in the entries list that were listed 15 minutes before the draw!

    Now, of course it’s possible they didn’t get my postcard on time, but how likely is that? 6 days from Ireland to Northern Ireland.

    Ill reserve full judgement until I see if a few more postcards that I sent for different comps are ignored, with even longer time to get to them before competitions are drawn.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭rodge123


    So my free postcard entry for the M3 also hadn’t been entered tonight, posted it over 11 days ago. Me thinks these McKinney guys make be breaking gambling regulations. Waiting for a reply from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,843 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    They probably have a get out clause in section 3.10-h


    • (h) if the number of paid entries reaches any cap or limit before your free entry is received, you will not be entered into the random draw.

    Now whether or not this cap or limit should be public is another thing



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭rodge123


    Well I imagine this limit/cap is the max number of entries they mention for each competition. It usually only gets hit a few hours before the draw from what I can see and I know that it wasn’t met with at least one of the competitions I entered. Regardless, my entry was sent over 11 days ago and they couldn’t possibly claim they didn’t receive until say 1 hour before the draw!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,843 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    If I was running a draw where I’m giving away a car worth €20k or however much (I see they have a raptor up or 35k equivalent) then there’s not a snowballs chance in hell I’d allow for every single entry to be potentially free. Not a hope. They’re running a business, not a charity.


    I’d say they allow no more than 100 free entries per draw.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭rodge123


    Yes of course it would be impossible run it if everyone entered through the free route. The question is though are they then breaking gambling regulations that allow them have there’s type of draws in the first place.

    They are only allowed run the business because of the regulations stating they must allow free entries.

    I’ve emailed them for clarification on why my entries were not in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,843 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    I’d be interested in hearing what they have to say myself.

    but to be fair to them the last time they had a raptor up I got a text message or email can’t remember which offering me 30% off in the last hour before the draw. When I went to enter I was charged the amount I expected but within 15 minutes I got another email saying they’d had a glitch and even though I was charged my ticket hadn’t gone through so I wasn’t entered. They offered me the choice of a full refund OR 2 free entries into the next competition for a hilux invincible. They gave me 24 hours to respond and said without a response they’d take it as agreement for the entries.

    when I checked THAT competition I was entered twice, so I’d say they’re on the level.

    it would be clearer though if they stated how many free entries there are per competition.



  • Registered Users Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Meeoow


    I entered a McKinney competition once. They kept sending me unsolicited texts afterwards about upcoming draws. I did the unsubscribe on the message each time, but kept receiving texts even though I had unsubscribed. I Facebook messaged them to ask them to stop the unsolicited texts. They were quite ignorant about it. I wouldn't deal with them again. I think they are a bit cheeky.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8 monkey1234


    Having bought quite a number of tickets over the last two years, my name finally came out. I won cash in a 99p draw, R kings contacted me straight after the draw and money was lodged the following week. Thrilled with the win , I was completely shocked when they rang .



  • Registered Users Posts: 21 JackDee123


    I see McKinney's are doing a Villa in Portugal / £1 million competition. Its all over facebook and the papers and they even have that Gemma Collins from Big Brother promoting it. Anyone done any postal entries or bought any tickets yet?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭rodge123


    Yeah done the postal entries a few times and they never entered me into draws…free entry route is a scam from my experience. They are genuine though with the prizes, an old friend of mine won a 120k from them ages ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21 JackDee123


    Interesting.

    Someone should do something about all these companies who are then running illegal unlicensed commercial lotteries, by not either having a genuine skill required to get entered into the prize draw, or that are not operating a genuine free entry route.


    (McKinney’s question for this Villa in Portugal / £1m prize is:

    What’s the capital of Portugal?

    Lisbon, Moscow or Sydney

    …… that’s at best, a £100 starter level question in “Who wants to be a millionaire” and would certainly be highly unlikely to be successfully argued in court, as being of the required skill/knowledge level to avoid the need for a free entry route, so as not to be an illegal unlicensed lottery being run for commercial gain.

    It would be relatively easy for someone to build sufficient evidence, to prove the ones that are not complying with the alternative requirement to provide a “genuine free entry route” that would pass the “reasonable prospect of securing a successful prosecution” test and it would clearly be in the public interest to bring to task companies that are operating illegally, some on a vast scale (this current competition of McKinneys looks like a £6m plus criminal enterprise, if they are actively doing what you believe). Both of these, tests above, are the criteria that the PPS look for when considering whether a case should be brought before the courts.

    Risky game some of these folks could be playing themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21 JackDee123


    Actually, I was just thinking….. if what you say you believe is happening and therefore it really is an unlicensed illegal lottery being run for commercial gain, then Gemma Collins is potentially committing a serious offence by promoting it…… the press would have a field day with that whole debacle, I’m sure!

    Could be a total disaster for all concerned.

    I guess there’s no end to the unnecessary risks and lengths some company’s will go to, out of sheer greed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast


    My friend won an RS6 estate on one of these draws a few weeks ago.

    He chose the cash alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    I think there is something in the law that you can’t do straight raffle without a licence, it has to include a test of skill, i.e. a stupid question to side step the need for a licence and oversight.

    After the two lads a couple of years ago accidentally exposed their dodgy draw on a Facebook live stream a few years ago, I don’t know who would enter these after that.

    Remember a local lad one a car on a small time raffle on Facebook years back. Few weeks later the nice car is gone. Found out that he’s gotten a few quid to drive it around for a few weeks and say he won it to drum up business. Once the time was up the car was moved on to England for another ‘raffle’ with a different group.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users Posts: 21 JackDee123


    Do you think I should? Would you gather concrete evidence too.......the more sources, the stronger the evidence base.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21 JackDee123


    As previously mentioned on here, the "test" applied to confirm if the skill or knowledge required in any paid to enter prize draw competition is "sufficient", is (in layman terms):

    Does it cause a significant number of people to choose not to enter, because they are "put off" by how hard / difficult it is.

    Or do a significant number of people who choose to enter, end up failing the skill/knowledge part (" do they end up getting the question wrong"), and thus not making it into the random prize draw part.

    If the "challenge" set to enter into a prize draw competition, is so low, that virtually everyone gets it correct, then it would fail this test. While the word "significant" hasn't been defined or quantified specifically by the Gambling Commission, its likely to be confirmed by any legal professional, that a number of less than 1% would not be considered significant. (1% being "put off" or "getting it wrong", would probably be on the very high side of any estimate I'd make in relation to these very simple questions.....a court could probably ask for an independent test be run on a number of the questions a company used, or ask for credible experts to quantify the real world "failure rate" and "put off" rates, if a company wished to try to make a case that they believed it to be higher). Basically, anyone believing that these very simple questions give them any form of "legal cover", if they are found to not be genuinely providing a "free entry route" which is your only other option to avoid being an illegal, unlicensed lottery being run for commercial gain, are only kidding themselves.....hence my previous statement that some of these company's are playing a very risky game with the authorities (Russian Roulette, perhaps).

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