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30 year old arts graduate struggling to get by

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Are you in the social housing list op?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,937 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    If I were in your situation i'd go back.

    Do a degree in a field that appeals most to you that's in demand. Believe me you will be far happier with a decent wage in your mid 30's than you are now.

    As for being 40 and not able to get a mortgage. That depends on your income at the end of the day.

    Up to you but i'd go back. A small thing but there are back to education allowances to help you too.

    Also you live with your parents. So what? You going to let pride get in the way? No one cares whether or not you live with your parents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭berocca2016


    You don’t need to change your degree. The example I gave is financial services.

    You have a good undergrad from a good college. You just need to find out how to leverage it. Most jobs don’t specify a certain type of degree.

    My degree is technically Economics and Social Science, except practically in reality it’s low on the economic front. But 10 years post college, it doesn’t really matter a hoot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Parties with the same conservative values are why society took a step back. There are generations who thought themselves lucky to have a job who never had the opportunity to choose what career they followed. Thanks to parties with conservative values the number of people in that position is growing. The reality is you can work hard all your life and never own your own home. Its just becoming more common. What people could do in their 20's and 30's is now taking till their 30's and 40's.

    I'd be open to a complete career change, lowering my expectations or emigrate, if I were you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    If not for pride it would not be an issue. Its renting thats making me feel worthless, living at home would be worse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    So you think I can leverage enough to make the 60k needed to buy within 30km of Dublin on one income?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭berocca2016


    Yes, get yourself out there, talk to recruiters. Pay for a career coach.



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    I have tried recruiters, its always sales jobs they bring up for the salaries of 40,000. I did some sales before and its hell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭berocca2016




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,937 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    If you aren't trolling you need to wake up.

    You'd scoff at around the average annual gross salary in Ireland (45k) because you hate sales?

    Why do you deserve the 60k plus you seek? Most people work hard to get to a point of earning over 60k. What skill set do you have encompassed in your arts degree? What experience do you have?

    You're being given suggestions and advice but don't seem to take any.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    I expected to be a media manager or organiser for an NGO or union from my degree



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,937 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Do you go through your life expecting things?

    Look, I wish you the best. I'm out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    Art and work don't go hand in hand. Art and college courses are seen as a wasters course, if you want good money it takes time and dedication..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You don’t see any conflict between roles like that and your stated conservative values?



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    As I said I was a socialist in my youth, it was working and not being able to live outside house sharing while unemployed people are housed just because they choose to have kids that changed that



  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭ewiz9


    A friend of mine who did a 6-month springboard tech course moved from a retail sales position to a company with 45K/year. You could alternatively get an MBA.. which would help you get a high-paying job.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,443 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    You don’t seem to have learned much from the last 10 years… your skills are not particularly marketable and will not allow you to command the income you need to meet your lifestyle expectations. Yet you seem to be unwilling to up skill despite having the ability to do so. And of course your misfortune is caused by the foreigners.

    Nobody owes you a living so you have two choices - sit around and whine about your sense of entitlement for the next 40 years to retirement or go and do something about developing a marketable skill set. The choice is yours.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,443 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Moving to another country requires significant savings to cover deposits on housing, the cost of living etc. while searching for a job. Do you have these savings in place?

    How is a limited visa in Canada going to change anything for you? You’ll be two years older with the same skill set and Ireland’s approach to housing won’t have changed.

    You need a better plan to move forward….



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    I don't think this is a troll post. He's not that far from my own attitude re not wanting handouts or living with parents so I can understand where he's coming from.

    I don't want to be repeating the same advice as half the people in this thread have provided but I'm going to do it anyway and reiterate the point made by our Donald Trump in this thread because it seems to have gotten lost:

    Get into something tech-adjacent. You don't have to "learn to code". Even in a small team of 10, there are Project Owners, Business Analysts, Manual Testers and Automation Engineers (the titles might vary between companies) as well as coders. Within a company, there are also sales staff, customer support and various levels of middle-management, HR, Marketing, other Admin etc. Depending on the company, coders could be as little as 5% of the workforce The reason that tech is being advised is that there are lots of ways to get your foot in the door and it pays well once you have some experience under your belt. You might join a company as tester on 30K as your first job but once you have some experience, you can move about, either internally or to other companies and the salary goes up fairly quickly. People in the thread are advising tech because it fits what you are looking for.

    You might not want to go into tech (or finance but I can't speak from experience there) but I can't think of any sectors that are that accessible. A one-year course gets you an entry-level position in tech. Other vocations that pay well demand longer in terms of education. Trades pay well and don't need years of education but if office work is what you're after, that might not be the best option.

    I get that you have certain types of jobs in mind but don't rule out tech. There's way more to it than coding.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I suspect the answer is "Oh no. Im too good for that with my UCD degree"

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Post edited by Annasopra on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I do not want to be mean but what has happened in the housing market in the last 5/6 years was well flagged... People should hbave been protesting in the streets when our housing stock was bought up by cuckoo/vulture funds... Our Government don't seem to care and neither do the people... If we did we would have made an effort to address...

    OP i am sorry for where your at but that's what i see...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭minikin


    Have just skimmed the thread op, if it’s genuine then you need to snap out of it… you have a problem for every solution, you’re engaged in limiting binary thinking…

    Example: ‘I turned down a civil service job because it only goes from 26 to 40k after ten years’

    Thats only if you stay as a CO.

    If you had any gumption at all (which you don’t appear to have) you would climb up through the grades and could be an AP (scale starts at 70k) after a few years.

    Alternatively: if you can’t afford Dublin (or the “nice” parts grandpapa would have approved of) move to somewhere you can afford.

    I know you’ve grown up with great expectations Pip but it’s time to cut your coat according to your cloth…



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm 34 and have had the jarring realisation that I need and want to upskill. But I live outside Ireland so have to pay the full whack while Springboard is next to nothing. I've applied now and if accepted, the two years will cost me at least 10k.

    Take advantage of the outrageously generous study benefits that come from being in Ireland. I envy those who can just decide to do a course for a few hundred euro that I have to pay 5k/year for, or a non-EU person might pay 15k/year for.

    It must be annoying to feel priced out of where you live, but if you have what is frankly a worthless degree and masters, and don't do a trade, you're fairly stuck. My degree is only good for visa requirements and for getting into extra courses it seems, and the sooner people accept that if it's true, the better. I won't even be putting my first degree on my CV in the future.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Sebastian Dangerfield


    OP, have you looked at marketing jobs in the Funds industry? It's certainly not the glamorous side of marketing, but if you're looking for well paid jobs without massive retraining, that could be your thing.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,443 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Of course the government care, in fact every politician cares…. about getting re-elected! The problem is that voters don’t want housing, they want a house and they believe that a housing policy that requires people to take on huge amounts of debt is an acceptable way to do it. So politicians will try to deliver on that demand or at least utter soothing words in agreement with the voters expectations. Other countries have come closer to solving the problem by having a strong framework for the rental market, but Irish voters have no interested in such a solution.

    That is why I don’t see the OPs idea of going to Canada for two years as a solution. He’ll be two years older with the same skill set returning to a country with the same mind set.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Sounds like it’s cognitive behavioural therapy you need. Really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Can you give an example and it’s salary? Normal and decent are subjective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    No one owes him a house in Dublin... funny a certain cohort are owed free luxury housing in Dublin... would you try living abroad for six months to a year op ? Australia or the uk for example?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,165 ✭✭✭893bet


    Worth noting a lot of Stem jobs are badly paid. Especially the “S” part of the deal. Engineering fair a lot better.


    Retraining in a trade at 30 is an interesting concept. Def want to be dry trade!


    No mortgage works with you here. Assuming no kids. You can take the low salary for two years.

    A spring board course in something might help also but then you also need a break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,706 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    It was a very achievable accomplishment for previous generations, so why not now?

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Posts: 0 Hailey Angry Vent


    I've an Accounting and Finance degree and work as an IT project manager in a Finance based company. Whilst I'm in no way an expert in IT, I know some very basic stuff but most of it was learned on the job being thrown in the deep end and going from there. My role is to understand the risks, keep the different aspects of the project moving against my plan, gather reports for strategic management, issue management and escalate where necessary. I believe anyone can do these things.

    Added bonus of being able to work from anywhere. Its very much a job in demand by the sheer number of Linkedin messages and emails.

    Every company is going through some sort of change/transformation so it's a good one. IT courses generally disinterest me so I'll just focus on perfecting the management skillset. This will help me in time to move to a different type of industry maybe for a change.

    OP I'm sure you can do administration tasks so you can try get into a PMO role (Project Management Office) and take it from there.

    You are at a good age and once you change course you will be surprised how quickly doors and opportunities open. Good luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,706 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    I've little sympathy for you OP, so you got 450 in the LC and did a poxy arts degree and somehow this entitles you to the life of Reilly?

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Ive always told my kids I wouldnt pay for them to do something "fluffy" in college. They are gearing up now for quality STEM courses

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    I don't want the life of Reily. I want a home. Surely anyone working should be able to have a home?



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    Can someone explain how springboard works? From the website it just seems like applying for post grads and all the tech ones require a tech degree.

    Can someone who has done it and earned a wage enough to buy a house on a single income from it explain how they did it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    You can have a home. You'll just be a) living outside Dublin postal districts 1-8; or b) renting. What's the problem? You're literally the only person who see this as a stigma.

    Why won't you go see a career coach, or retrain, or go for the civil service jobs starting at €50k? Put in the work for a couple of years, get career advancement, whether that's in a trade or moving up the grades and increments in the civil service? Or study part-time in a new field and move into that? It's what all of the rest of us have done.

    More and more convinced you're trolling...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Used to be the way but hasn't been the case for last 20 years or so. Not buying alone anyway.

    Also ireland and dublin in particular has seen a large divergence from the average income for certain occupations, these are the ones able to buy the small number of properties available and pushing prices way up.

    Institutional investors have also smelled opportunity with sky high rents and are investing heavily. It will take a policy change, this talk of building x number of thousands of houses to meet demand in a county that is smaller than the average county in terms of square miles is nonsense, it will never ever happen while inward foreign investment is allowed and highly skilled foreign workers are allowed buy property along with investment funds. Canada and New Zealand are 2 other countries with housing crises and have recently placed a ban on non citizens buying property. This is the kind of thing that will solve our problems here, but I can't see it ever happening because of our hunger for foreign investment to prop up our economy.

    I do have a few colleagues and acquaintances that can't buy a house, it sucks for them, no doubt. Many positions in my company don't offer a salary that even doubled with a partner on same salary would buy a property in Dublin without significant deposit. One unskilled guy did once say he was leaving unless we could give him a salary to enable him to buy a home, but in reality it was impossible for us to do. He did leave but doubt he got anything much higher paid.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    Because renting is stigmatised in Ireland. Only owning a home is seen as normal. If I felt its ok to rent, I would be happy with my current lot where a) I can afford to rent with HAP, b) enjoy my job and c) have enough money after bills to holiday and socialise. But as a nation renting is not the norm



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Have you ticked conversion courses only?



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    I honestly think doing my drivers license and getting a HGV licence with the aim of being a Dublin Bus driver or lorry driver is my best option. Would have the license in a year and earning 40,000 from the start which would be enough to buy an apartment in Drogheda or Navan



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Whether it is or not, the OP s problem is his attitude



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nobody gives two figs whether you own your own house or rent 🙄



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I own a house and I'm your age, I am an outlier. So it's bollocks to claim you're looked down on.


    I know plenty of people of people who got jobs in big companies with just the year long conversion course. And could do masters if you wanted to be a bit more marketable, that's potentially just two years.


    Your biggest issue is that you expect to buy within Dublin. And plenty of people don't have the power to do that. Hence plenty of people leaving Dublin.


    Anyway, your current approach appears to be "do nothing".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    I'm of your generation, got less points than you in the leaving cert and went to a less prestigious college


    I did however study science. Worked a shift job, unsocial hours etc...

    Result, 2 houses with one rented out All on a single income


    Stop being a b1tch OP, I have colleagues who came to Ireland with nothing and now have kids/houses etc...

    They had drive/ambition and goals.

    You currently have chips on both shoulders and an entitled attitude



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    They don't, only a small minority of rude snobs do this. Decent people in Ireland realise that the goalposts for home ownership have shifted dramatically. Lots of people in Ireland have well paying jobs and can't afford a home. It's not your fault that the cost of property in Dublin has reached crazy prices.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    Yes this OP. The IFSC companies are always hiring. They do not care at all what your degree is in and they even hire without degrees.

    So you are more than half way there.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    What funds are they and how would I go about applying? When I send my cv out en mass I only ever get recruitment companies for OTE sales jobs



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